TR Naval Programs

[Kaan Azman]

I still want a sideway proximity fuse for CİRİT to allow C-UAS engagements against fixed wings which fly almost as slow as helicopters. Totally cheaper than SUNGUR like you said. You know, I should work on an offshot concept like that sometime.

 

[Sanchez]

I thought cirit would be interesting due to it’s smaller diameter and weight. Having multiple launcher tubes with similar or slightly shorter range would enable the crew to man and use them quickly.
And I believe they are cheaper in production.

Existing multiple Cirit launchers are anything but small tho.

Cirit is not a small missile, nearly 2 meters long and each missile weighs 15kg. A man portable double Cirit launcher would weigh at least 40-50 kilos. Cirit was never designed to be man portable. A Karaok for example weighs 16 kilos with its launcher.

On a tangent to prove the point, can anyone find the at least 10 year old photo of a Cirit pedestal mount on a mountain base with a soldier posing with it? Looks scrubbed from the net.

Edit, found it. At least 12 year old photo.

http://imgur.com/6TgP2

 

[UkroTurk]

I still want a sideway proximity fuse for CİRİT to allow C-UAS engagements against fixed wings which fly almost as slow as helicopters. Totally cheaper than SUNGUR like you said. You know, I should work on an offshot concept like that sometime.

Could you please draw Canik venom LR ( barrel should have velocity +smart ammunition sensor) top of the GÖKSUR launcher. Please I will appreciate all my life

At least you could Photoshop it for us.

 

[Kaan Azman]

VENOM LR will fire proximity ammo which doesn't need a programming device on barrel. For GÖKSUR part, it would rather be a whole new design.

 

[UkroTurk]

VENOM LR will fire proximity ammo which doesn't need a programming device on barrel. For GÖKSUR part, it would rather be a whole new design.

I wonder what is the range of proximity fuse. How many meters before the target could it detect?
I don't like proximity fuse system( eğer doğru biliyorsam yaklaşma tapası demek proximity fuse), korkut/Millenium gun timing fuse system is superior. You cant create a steal/ tungsten wall around your ship with proximity fuse.

Aselsan could create new smart ammunition from 35mm ATOM projectile. Shorter brass , low recoil and velocity with the same 35 mm ATOM projectile. Range would be shorter.

On the other hand Again 30x113 ATOM would be great.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Its a case of balancing things. Proximity is a good idea as it would be easier to produce in the big picture due to its simplicity. I certainly would like a VENOM LR with ATOM for dedicated C-UAS though.

35 mm ATOM has been rad as the rounds have long range and larger space for tungsten pieces

 

[BaburKhan]

Pirireis provisional delivery delayed again, to Feb 2024.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1725445456900067816

Have TCG Pirireis entered officially in Service ?

 

[Sanchez]

Have TCG Pirireis entered officially in Service ?

Checking open sources, nope… building of the other vessels are continuing but if the original 62 months building to delivery timeframe for each vessel is still valid, Pirireis is behind the schedule by 6 months from revised delivery timeframe and about 3-4 years behind schedule from original timeframe, which also included external delays from Germany.

 

[Strong AI]

Regarding MİLGEM Combat Systems Contract, a contract amendment for Naval Warfare Systems and Payloads of MİLGEM 9-12 Frigates has been signed with TAIS Shipyards & STM Joint Venture. Within the context of this contract amendment, ASELSAN business share is valuing EUR 421.566.821,85 and the deliveries will be made in between the years 2025-2027.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795721997550297504

 

[boredaf]

I love the way our Navy works, I hope other branches of our military look at them and realise that is how it is supposed to be and get it together soon.

 

[zio]

I love the way our Navy works, I hope other branches of our military look at them and realise that is how it is supposed to be and get it together soon.

Land forces demands more armour addition to Altay,it never ends.

 

[boredaf]

Land forces demands more armour addition to Altay,it never ends.

I can't believe you didn't put a trigger warning before posting that seriously though, only thing our Navy hasn't been able to solve is its naval helicopter shortage, other than that our projects are chugging along great.

Are there no other naval helicopters we can get (excluding Russian and Chinese ones, of course) than Sikorsky?

 

[Anmdt]

I can't believe you didn't put a trigger warning before posting that seriously though, only thing our Navy hasn't been able to solve is its naval helicopter shortage, other than that our projects are chugging along great.

Are there no other naval helicopters we can get (excluding Russian and Chinese ones, of course) than Sikorsky?

How do you particularly want them to resolve it? Design a helicopter in Shipyard DPO and ask TAI to build it?

They submit certain demands at SSB and we only see what goes through as approved, they prioritize each demand. At this point it is on SSB. DzKK had limited individual resources and pulled a good game to fund OPVs and TF-2000 at against SSB's reluctance.

Meanwhile on Land Forces it is more of taking a long time to state what they actually want and they don't take any steps back until they hit a wall. Meanwhile DzKK has fall back mechanism to ensure a thing continues, such as MIDLAS, change of certain equipments, heavily assisting certain projects at certain firms with own expertise to make it continues.

Even if a ship built outside the Navy's shipyard, Navy still appoints people to follow the design from scratch to the delivery. I would care to ask how much Air or Land forces contribute to the projects in development (Such as Altay, Hürkuş, et al.) apart from specifying the requirements ?. This is a critique that some Force's should address and resolve. Navy has own problems but this is rather common on being a Turk.

 

[TheInsider]

I am confident that our shipyards will complete delivery of all remaining 7 (3+4) I class frigates in 4 years.