Canada Navy Canada Surface Combatant (CSC) Program

[uçuyorum]

Hello, ucuyorum. MDA has been in the Space business for many years now including building satellites and the CANADARM used on most of the Apollo systems and the ISS, RADARSAT programs and satellites. No, they have not built Naval Radars yet but with their expertise, they should be able to produce that as well. So to say that they have no expertise to be able to build radars for the CSC Frigates is suspect. I suggest you visit their websites to see what they have to offer at:

MDA

Serving the world from our Canadian home and our global offices, MDA is an international space mission partner and a robotics, satellite systems and geointelligence pioneer with a 50-year story of firsts on and above the Earth. Today, we're leading the charge towards viable Moon colonies...

mda.space

Ok I was trying to understand the point you were trying to make, didn't quite get it I guess

 

[Ted Barnes]

Note the absence of X-Band illuminators

 

[Ted Barnes]

Is a civilian company with no experience of building military radars building the radar for a destroyer? You guys should hope they get consultancy or partnership from some other

Hi, welcome to the conversation. You are correct that while MDA is a great company they haven't built a naval radar. More than likely a partnership with another company with that experience would be a better idea than building it alone and possibility have issues.

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Note the absence of X-Band illuminators
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Nice pictures Ted. Where did these "Archived" pictures come from? First time I've seen these. Are these official government photos or are these just AI for your own affect? Are you saying MDA is no longer involved with the Illumination Radar system.... then who is?

 

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CSC TYPE 26 FRIGATE LATEST INFO GRAPHIC/CAPABILITIES AS OF 14 APRIL 2024​

Here are the latest updates as is either known or speculated as of 14 April 2024 for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) Type 26 Frigate weapons & systems design. The number of MK 41 VLS Cells has been dropped to 24 Cells forward vice 32 (for now). As seen by this latest graphic, the mast is not only taller but has lost the X Band Illumination AESA Radar with a large hole in the top to save weight no doubt however both Ottawa & MDA are not talking. It has been said that the X Band Illumination Radar is now not required for the CSC Frigate as the SPY 7 (V) 3 has the capability of targeting all threats on its own unlike the new AESA SPY 6 (V) 1 by Raytheon for the Arleigh Burkes which has a targeting function within the radar itself. Also notice the Port/Stb'd waist areas midships have been "cut-out" to also save weight no doubt (or perhaps for “future-proofing”). The crew size has increased from 204 to 210 personnel. The ship tonnage has increased-8,080 tonnes although that may not be the full-load weight (possibly around 9,400 tonnes):

1. 1 x Lockheed Martin (LM) Solid State 3D Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) "S" Band Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR)-SPY 7 (V) 3 Phased Array Solid State Air Search Radar with integration into the CMS 330/Aegis Combat System-Confirmed by Lockheed Martin (LM).
2. 2 x "X" & "S" Band Navigation Radars from BAE Systems with integration software into the CMS 330/Aegis Combat System.
3. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Electronic Warfare Suite System & Chaff launchers.
4. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Future High Energy Laser (HEL) Warfare Defence System (again MDA is not talking).
5. 24 x MK 41 strike length (ExLS) VLS-ESSM2, SM II/IIIC-SM3/SM6 & Hypersonic Ballistic Cruise Missiles (fitted for, but not with for CSC Batch I build) Batch II build may have up to 64 ExLS Mk 41 cells as with the BAE proposed missile fit for the Australian Hunter class Type 26 Frigate and 4x4 NSMs as with the USN Constellation class (The Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) & Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS) would then be replaced to accommodate the increased missile load midships); Raytheon Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM).
6. Combat Information Management Systems-Links 11/16/22/GCCS-M/Mode 5S Identification Friend or Foe (IFF).
7. Light Weight (LW) MK 54 Torpedo system and magazines with twin launcher tubes (Port/Stb’d).
8. Sea Spider anti-torpedo system (Magellan/TKMS)
9. 6 x 4 ExLS VLS-Aft of the funnel (Sea Ceptor, quad-packed) for Close In Air Defence System (CIADS) (could be increased to 12 x 4 ExLS cells with CSC Batch II build).
10. 2 x 4 Quad packs Kongsberg NSM Surface-To-Surface Missiles-Port/Stb’d above Multi-Mission Bay (MMB). These NSM missiles may be increased to 4 x 4 Quad packs for CSC Type 26 Batch II build as with the Constellation class frigates.
11. Main Gun: 1 x 5-inch Leonardo Oto Melara 127mm Light Weight (LW) Land Attack and Anti-Air Vulcano gun. This gun will confer the CSC ships with the ability to fire extended-range, precision-guided Vulcano munitions – both in guided long-range and the ballistic extended-range versions – with conventional Anti-Air Warfare ammunition as well.
12. Secondary Guns: 2 x MARLIN 30 Stabilized Rapid Fire 30mm 174 ATK MK44 Naval Gun Systems (from Leonardo-Port/Stb’d of Flight Deck) with RC-Remotely Controlled; COAX-"Coaxial Electro-Optical Sensor Suite" and ILOS-Independent Line Of Site able to fire HE-High Explosive/AP-Armor-Piercing/TP-Target Practice/ABM-Air Burst Munitions. ROF-Rate Of Fire-SS-Single Shot/100-200 Rounds Per Minute (RPM); Day & IR Camera. MER-Maximum Effective Range-3500 Meters. Effective against any surface threats/Helicopters and Drones. Outstanding accuracy and precision; automatic Duel Feed system; Stealthy Design; Video Tracking Capability; High reliability and ease of maintenance with no deck penetration.
13. Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC)-Sensor Netting-Integrated Cyber Defence System (future-proofing for possible Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.
14. Integrated Bridge & Navigation from OSI Maritime Systems.
15. Internal/External Secure Communications Suite-HF/UHF/SHF/VHF/SATCOM from L3 Harris.
16. Electro Optical & Infrared Systems; Radio/Radar Electronic Support Measures (ESMs) to include: Frequency Identification; Laser Warning & Electric Countermeasures System (ECM-RAVEN); Radar/Radio Frequency Electronic Jammers; Electronic Decoy Systems.
17. Lockheed Martin Combat Management System (CMS)-330/ACS-Aegis Combat Systems in support of CEC and future BMD-Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capabilities.
18. Ultra Electronics Hull Mounted Sonar (HMS)-Ultra S2150.
19. Ultra Electronics Active/Passive Towed Array Sonar (TAS); Towed Torpedo Countermeasures (TTCM)-Sea Sentor S21700.
20. Ultra Electronics Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) known as TLFAS-Towed Low Frequency Active Sonar; (This system is designed to identify and track stealthy submarines in harsh sea environments); Future XLUUV Drone capability (MMB).
21. Sonobouy Processing System (SPS) from General Dynamics with expendable Acoustic Countermeasures.
22. Combined Diesel Electric Gas Turbine Propulsion System (CODLOG) to include 1 X Rolls Royce RR/MT 30 Gas Turbine; 2 X Electronic Motors from General Electric; 4 X RR MTU Diesel Generators; Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) from L3 Harris.
23. CSC Reconfigurable Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) along with a Rolls Royce’ Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS)-reconfigurable mission and boat bays including a 9m rescue boat, two 9-12m multi-role boats, and modular mission support (standard 20ft sea containers, other vehicles).
24. “Future-Proofing”-Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Systems-U.K. Dragon Fire DEW (Port/Stb’d waist areas); USN AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System/Tactical High Power Operational Responder (THOR) DEW systems. These DEW systems however, do require more power than usual weapons systems and may necessitate higher power rated CSC Frigate Diesel Generators (DGs). Autonomous Extra Large Uncrewed Underwater Vehicles (XLUUVs) for Special Ops missions (To be housed & launched in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB). Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capability. SM3/SM6 and Hypersonic Long Range Ballistic Cruise Missiles.
25. 1 x S-92 CH 148 Cyclone Sikorsky ASW Helicopter with the ability to carry 2 X Cyclones if required in the hanger/MMB; Skeldar V200 UAV-Unmanned Aerial Vehicle helicopter drone systems (possibly x 2) from Saab-known as CU-176 "Gargoyle" helicopter drones either in the hanger or in 20 ft containers in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB).
26. Speed-approximately 27-30 kts. Statement Of Requirement (SOR); required capability for US Carrier Battle Group (CBG) Ops.
27. Crew Compliment-210 max (with separate female officer/sailor quarters).

Latest CSC Info-graphic from Lockheed Martin​

 

[Ted Barnes]

Initial construction to begin in June on new Canadian warships

The work is proceeding even though the Canadian government has yet to sign the actual construction contract to start building the 15 warships.

ottawacitizen.com

Good news and a great step forward.

 

[Ted Barnes]

It appears that the CSC is getting the new Lionfish 30mm vice the Marlin 30mm.

Leonardo: new X-Gun 30 solution and Lionfish turret with first naval customers - Naval News

Leonardo has unveiled its new X-Gun 30x173 mm weapon system, accounting initial customers in the naval domain, alongside the three-barrel Gatling 20 mm and under-development single-barrel Blaze 30x113 mm weapon in a media tour at its Brescia facility.

www.navalnews.com

 

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CSC TYPE 26 FRIGATE LATEST INFO GRAPHIC/CAPABILITIES AS OF 10 MAY 2024​

Here are the latest updates as is either known or speculated as of 10 May 2024 for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) Type 26 Frigate weapons & systems design. The number of MK 41 VLS Cells has been dropped to 24 Cells forward vice 32 (for now). As seen by this latest graphic, the mast is not only taller but has lost the X Band Illumination AESA Radar with a large hole in the top to save weight no doubt however both Ottawa & MDA are not talking. It has been said that the X Band Illumination Radar is now not required for the CSC Frigate as the SPY 7 (V) 3 has the capability of targeting all threats on its own unlike the new AESA SPY 6 (V) 1 by Raytheon for the Arleigh Burkes which has a targeting function within the radar itself. Also notice the Port/Stb'd waist areas midships have been "cut-out" to also save weight no doubt (or perhaps for “future-proofing”). The government has also changed the Leonado MARLIN 30mm gun mount to the latest Leonardo 30mm X Gun as per para 12. The crew size has increased from 204 to 210 personnel. The ship tonnage has increased-8,080 tonnes although that may not be the full-load weight (possibly around 9,400 tonnes):

1. 1 x Lockheed Martin (LM) Solid State 3D Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) "S" Band Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR)-SPY 7 (V) 3 Phased Array Solid State Air Search Radar with integration into the CMS 330/Aegis Combat System-Confirmed by Lockheed Martin (LM).
2. 2 x "X" & "S" Band Navigation Radars from BAE Systems with integration software into the CMS 330/Aegis Combat System.
3. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Electronic Warfare Suite System & Chaff launchers.
4. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Future High Energy Laser (HEL) Warfare Defence System (again MDA is not talking).
5. 24 x MK 41 strike length (ExLS) VLS-ESSM2, SM II/IIIC-SM3/SM6 & Hypersonic Ballistic Cruise Missiles (fitted for, but not with for CSC Batch I build) Batch II build may have up to 64 ExLS Mk 41 cells as with the BAE proposed missile fit for the Australian Hunter class Type 26 Frigate and 4x4 NSMs as with the USN Constellation class (The Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) & Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS) would then be replaced to accommodate the increased missile load midships); Raytheon Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM).
6. Combat Information Management Systems-Links 11/16/22/GCCS-M/Mode 5S Identification Friend or Foe (IFF).
7. Light Weight (LW) MK 54 Torpedo system and magazines with twin launcher tubes (Port/Stb’d).
8. Sea Spider anti-torpedo system (Magellan/TKMS)
9. 6 x 4 ExLS VLS-Aft of the funnel (Sea Ceptor, quad-packed) for Close In Air Defence System (CIADS) (could be increased to 12 x 4 ExLS cells with CSC Batch II build).
10. 2 x 4 Quad packs Kongsberg NSM Surface-To-Surface Missiles-Port/Stb’d above Multi-Mission Bay (MMB). These NSM missiles may be increased to 4 x 4 Quad packs for CSC Type 26 Batch II build as with the Constellation class frigates.
11. Main Gun: 1 x 5-inch Leonardo Oto Melara 127mm Light Weight (LW) Land Attack and Anti-Air Vulcano gun. This gun will confer the CSC ships with the ability to fire extended-range, precision-guided Vulcano munitions – both in guided long-range and the ballistic extended-range versions – with conventional Anti-Air Warfare ammunition as well.
12. Secondary Guns: 2 x X-Gun 30mm x 173 mm weapon system Stabilized Rapid Fire Naval Gun System (from Leonardo-Port/Stb’d of Flight Deck) Lionfish 30 turret with RC-Remotely Controlled. At the heart of the new gun, is the electrically-powered drum cam which, with its rotation provided a brushless motor (installed inside the same drum cam). The overall X-Gun mass weighs 189 kg (Approx. 417 Lbs.), of which 78 kg of the receiver, 60 kg for the barrel and 35 kg for the feeder. The gun control unit (GCU) adds 16 kg allowing to save the latest data should power fail. With an ‘always safe’ feature, the X-Gun has an adjustable rate of fire up to 200 rpm (single, programmed and continuous burst), and presents two key features: the sniper mode and the next round selection. To enhance precision, with the first mode the round is pre-chambered with the breach nearly closed, minimizing vibrations and firing delay for improved accuracy. Additionally, the weapon incorporates a “first-round selection” capability, allowing immediate firing with the selected ammunition without shooting rounds of the previous type during magazine changes. The X-Gun has a C-UAS capability against mini e micro drones offered by the MF-ABM and its dedicated programmer under development. The X-Gun Lionfish 30 FCS will be able to fully exploit a large database of information on UAS thanks to algorithms based on artificial intelligence (AI) which will be resident on a Decision Support System (DSS). In terms of lethality, development will maximize its effectiveness against airborne targets like UAS, the new ammunition frontal performed mass fragmentation consists of high-quality steel spheres, complemented by natural lateral fragmentation of the cylindrical steel casing. Upon initiation of the High-Explosive (HE) charge, the spheres form a cone with a reduced angle, while the body generates fragments that also travel forward in a cone shape. This creates a wider-angle pattern, increasing Pk over a broader area. The new ammunition can also be used in point detonation (PD) mode, being activated on impact on target. The new ammunition together with the time-delay fuse setting system are expected to be tested before year-end (2024), completing the development program, while qualification will be conducted in 2025. COAX-"Coaxial Electro-Optical Sensor Suite" and ILOS-Independent Line-Of-Site able to fire HE-High Explosive/AP-Armor-Piercing/TP-Target Practice/ABM-Air Burst Munitions. With an X-Gun MER of 3,000+ meters, the turret has a training range of -155° + 155° while elevation is -20°, +70°, with training speed and acceleration of respectively 140°/sec and 220°/sec and elevation speed and acceleration of respectively 90°/sec and 220°/sec. Provided by Leonardo, other solutions are available based on customer requirements, the independent EOD being capable of 360° surveillance, multi-target and tracking tasks, is equipped with a day camera with a detection, recognition and identification range of 9.5, 4.8 and 3 km vs NATO standard target, alongside an IR camera with the same capabilities range of respectively 12, 6 and 3.5 km with cooled sensor (uncooled is also available) and a laser range finder with a 10 km range. ROF-Rate Of Fire-SS-Single Shot/200 Rounds Per Minute (RPM); Day & IR Camera. Effective against any surface threats/Helicopters and Drones. Outstanding accuracy and precision; automatic Duel-Feed system; Stealthy Design; Video Tracking Capability; High reliability and ease of maintenance with no deck penetration.

Leonardo: new X-Gun 30 solution and Lionfish turret with first naval customers - Naval News

Leonardo has unveiled its new X-Gun 30x173 mm weapon system, accounting initial customers in the naval domain, alongside the three-barrel Gatling 20 mm and under-development single-barrel Blaze 30x113 mm weapon in a media tour at its Brescia facility.

www.navalnews.com

13. Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC)-Sensor Netting-Integrated Cyber Defence System (future-proofing for possible Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.
14. Integrated Bridge & Navigation from OSI Maritime Systems.
15. Internal/External Secure Communications Suite-HF/UHF/SHF/VHF/SATCOM from L3 Harris.
16. Electro Optical & Infrared Systems; Radio/Radar Electronic Support Measures (ESMs) to include: Frequency Identification; Laser Warning & Electric Countermeasures System (ECM-RAVEN); Radar/Radio Frequency Electronic Jammers; Electronic Decoy Systems.
17. Lockheed Martin Combat Management System (CMS)-330/ACS-Aegis Combat Systems in support of CEC and future BMD-Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capabilities.
18. Ultra Electronics Hull Mounted Sonar (HMS)-Ultra S2150.
19. Ultra Electronics Active/Passive Towed Array Sonar (TAS); Towed Torpedo Countermeasures (TTCM)-Sea-Sentor S21700.
20. Ultra Electronics Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) known as TLFAS-Towed Low Frequency Active Sonar; (This system is designed to identify and track stealthy submarines in harsh sea environments); Future XLUUV Drone capability (MMB).
21. Sonobouy Processing System (SPS) from General Dynamics with expendable Acoustic Countermeasures.
22. Combined Diesel Electric Gas Turbine Propulsion System (CODLOG) to include 1 X Rolls Royce RR/MT 30 Gas Turbine; 2 X Electronic Motors from General Electric; 4 X RR MTU Diesel Generators; Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) from L3 Harris.
23. CSC Reconfigurable Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) along with a Rolls Royce’ Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS)-reconfigurable mission and boat bays including a 9m rescue boat, two 9-12m multi-role boats, and modular mission support (standard 20ft sea containers, other vehicles).
24. “Future-Proofing”-Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Systems-U.K. Dragon Fire DEW (Port/Stb’d waist areas); USN AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System/Tactical High Power Operational Responder (THOR) DEW systems. These DEW systems however, do require more power than usual weapons systems and may necessitate higher power rated CSC Frigate Diesel Generators (DGs). Autonomous Extra Large Uncrewed Underwater Vehicles (XLUUVs) for Special Ops missions (To be housed & launched in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB). Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capability. SM3/SM6 and Hypersonic Long Range Ballistic Cruise Missiles.
25. 1 x S-92 CH 148 Cyclone Sikorsky ASW Helicopter with the ability to carry 2 X Cyclones if required in the hanger/MMB; Skeldar V200 UAV-Unmanned Aerial Vehicle helicopter drone system (possibly x 2) from Saab-known as CU-176 "Gargoyle" helicopter drone either in the hanger or in 20 ft containers in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB).
26. Speed-approximately 27-30 kts. Statement Of Requirement (SOR); required capability for US Carrier Battle Group (CBG) Ops.
27. Crew Compliment-210 max (with separate female officer/sailor quarters).

Latest CSC Info-graphic from Lockheed Martin

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Here is another LM/BAE graphic of the CSC Frigate just released. This one features a "filled-in" mast with what appear to be EW AEs and perhaps a FC Radar for the 5" Leonardo gun FWD. The NSMs also seem to be "Trainable" as with the BAE proposed missile fit for the Hunter class Batch II fit. It is getting more difficult to tell which one is the "true" CSC Frigate graphic from LM/BAE now!!

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

CSC TYPE 26 FRIGATE LATEST INFO GRAPHIC/CAPABILITIES AS OF 18 MAY 2024​

Here is some more info & the latest updates as is either known or speculated as of 18 May 2024 for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) Type 26 Frigate weapons & systems design. The number of MK 41 VLS Cells has been dropped to 24 Cells forward vice 32 (for now). As seen by this latest graphic, the mast is not only taller but has lost the X Band Illumination AESA Radar however both Ottawa & MDA are not talking. It has been said that the X Band Illumination Radar is now not required for the CSC Frigate as the SPY 7 (V) 3 has the capability of targeting all threats on its own unlike the new AESA SPY 6 (V) 1 by Raytheon for the Arleigh Burkes which has a targeting function within the radar itself. Also notice the Port/Stb'd waist areas midships have been "cut-out" to also save weight no doubt (or perhaps for “future-proofing”). The government has also changed the Leonado MARLIN 30mm gun mount to the latest Leonardo 30mm X Gun as per para 12. The crew size has increased from 204 to 210 personnel. The ship tonnage has increased-8,080 tonnes although that may not be the full-load weight (possibly around 9,400 tonnes):

1. 1 x Lockheed Martin (LM) Solid State 3D Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) "S" Band Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR)-SPY 7 (V) 3 Phased Array Solid State Air Search Radar with integration into the CMS 330/Aegis Combat System (ACS)-Confirmed by Lockheed Martin (LM).
2. 2 x "X" & "S" Band Navigation Radars from BAE Systems with integration software into the CMS 330/ACS.
3. Lockheed Martin (LM)-Mk 53 Mod 1 Nulka Electronic Warfare Suite System & Anti-Ship Missile (ASM) launchers through FMS/Aegis.
4. MacDonald Dettwiler Associates (MDA)-Future High Energy Laser (HEL) Warfare Defence System (again MDA is not talking).
5. 24 x MK 41 strike length (ExLS) VLS-ESSM2, SM II/IIIC-SM3/SM6 & Hypersonic Ballistic Cruise Missiles (fitted for, but not with for CSC Batch I build) Batch II build may have up to 64 ExLS Mk 41 cells midships, as with the BAE proposed missile fit for the Australian Hunter class Type 26 Frigate and 4x4 (trainable) NSMs as with the USN Constellation class (The Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) & Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS) would then be replaced to accommodate the increased missile load midships and the 24 Mk 41 VLS cell FWD may also be retro-fitted back to 32 cells with Batch II CSC ships; Raytheon Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM) through FMS Aegis.
6. Combat Information Management Systems-Links 11/16/22/GCCS-M/Mode 5S Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) through FMS/Aegis.
7. Light Weight (LW) MK 54 Torpedo system and magazines with twin launcher tubes (Port/Stb’d) through FMS/Aegis.
8. Sea Spider anti-torpedo system (Magellan/TKMS) through FMS/Aegis/CTI.
9. 6 x 4 ExLS VLS-Aft of the funnel (Sea Ceptor, quad-packed) for Close In Air Defence System (CIADS) through DCS/Aegis (could be increased to 12 x 4 ExLS cells with CSC Batch II build).
10. 2 x 4 Quad packs Kongsberg NSM Surface-To-Surface Missiles-Port/Stb’d above Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) through DCS/Aegis. These NSM missiles may be “trainable” and increased to 4 x 4 Quad packs for CSC Type 26 Batch II build as with the Constellation class frigates.
11. Main Gun: 1 x 5-inch Leonardo (Oto Melara) 127mm Light Weight (LW) Land Attack and Anti-Air Vulcano gun with NA-30S Mk-2 Fire Control Radar System (FCS). This gun will confer the CSC ships with the ability to fire extended-range, precision-guided Vulcano munitions – both in guided long-range and the ballistic extended-range versions – also with conventional Anti-Air Warfare ammunition through DCS/(Integration Path Under Development).
12. Secondary Guns: 2 x X-Gun 30mm x 173 mm weapon system Stabilized Rapid Fire Naval Gun System (from Leonardo-Port/Stb’d of Flight Deck) Lionfish 30 turret with RC-Remotely Controlled through DCS/(Integration Path Under Development). At the heart of the new gun, is the electrically-powered drum cam which, with its rotation provided a brushless motor (installed inside the same drum cam). The overall X-Gun mass weighs 189 kg (Approx. 417 Lbs.), of which 78 kg of the receiver, 60 kg for the barrel and 35 kg for the feeder. The gun control unit (GCU) adds 16 kg allowing to save the latest data should power fail. With an ‘always safe’ feature, the X-Gun has an adjustable rate of fire up to 200 rpm (single, programmed and continuous burst), and presents two key features: the sniper mode and the next round selection. To enhance precision, with the first mode the round is pre-chambered with the breach nearly closed, minimizing vibrations and firing delay for improved accuracy. Additionally, the weapon incorporates a “first-round selection” capability, allowing immediate firing with the selected ammunition without shooting rounds of the previous type during magazine changes. The X-Gun has a C-UAS capability against mini e micro drones offered by the MF-ABM and its dedicated programmer under development. The X-Gun Lionfish 30 FCS will be able to fully exploit a large database of information on UAS thanks to algorithms based on artificial intelligence (AI) which will be resident on a Decision Support System (DSS). In terms of lethality, development will maximize its effectiveness against airborne targets like UAS, the new ammunition frontal performed mass fragmentation consists of high-quality steel spheres, complemented by natural lateral fragmentation of the cylindrical steel casing. Upon initiation of the High-Explosive (HE) charge, the spheres form a cone with a reduced angle, while the body generates fragments that also travel forward in a cone shape. This creates a wider-angle pattern, increasing Pk over a broader area. The new ammunition can also be used in point detonation (PD) mode, being activated on impact on target. The new ammunition together with the time-delay fuse setting system are expected to be tested before years-end (2024), completing the development program, while qualification will be conducted in 2025. COAX-"Coaxial Electro-Optical Sensor Suite" and ILOS-Independent Line-Of-Site able to fire HE-High Explosive/AP-Armor-Piercing/TP-Target Practice/ABM-Air Burst Munitions. With an X-Gun MER of 3,000+ meters, the turret has a training range of -155° + 155° while elevation is -20°, +70°, with training speed and acceleration of respectively 140°/sec and 220°/sec and elevation speed and acceleration of respectively 90°/sec and 220°/sec. Provided by Leonardo, other solutions are available based on customer requirements, the independent EOD being capable of 360° surveillance, multi-target and tracking tasks, is equipped with a day camera with a detection, recognition and identification range of 9.5, 4.8 and 3 km vs NATO standard target, alongside an IR camera with the same capabilities range of respectively 12, 6 and 3.5 km with cooled sensor (uncooled is also available) and a laser range finder with a 10 km range. ROF-Rate Of Fire-SS-Single Shot/200 Rounds Per Minute (RPM); Day & IR Camera. Effective against any surface threats/Helicopters and Drones. Outstanding accuracy and precision; automatic Duel-Feed system; Stealthy Design; Video Tracking Capability; High reliability and ease of maintenance with no deck penetration.
13. Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) through FMS-Direct Commercial Sales (DCS)/Aegis-Sensor Netting-Integrated Cyber Defence System (future-proofing for possible Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) capability.
14. Integrated Bridge & Navigation from OSI Maritime Systems through DCS-CTI.
15. Internal/External Secure Communications Suite-HF/UHF/SHF/VHF/SATCOM from L3 Harris.
16. Electro Optical & Infrared Systems; Radio/Radar Electronic Support Measures (ESMs) to include: Frequency Identification; Laser Warning & Electric Countermeasures System (ECM-RAVEN); Radar/Radio Frequency Electronic Jammers; Electronic Decoy Systems through FMS/Aegis.
17. Lockheed Martin Combat Management System (CMS)-330/Aegis Combat System (ACS) with Aegis Common Source Library (A-CSL) in support of CEC and Canadian Tactical Interface (CTI) with future BMD-Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capabilities.
18. FMS/Aegis-ESM Support-AN/SLQ-32 (Slick-32) Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program (SEWIP Block 2).
19. Ultra Electronics Hull Mounted Sonar (HMS)-Ultra S2150 through DCS/CTI.
20. Ultra Electronics Active/Passive Towed Array Sonar (TAS); Towed Torpedo Countermeasures (TTCM)-Sea-Sentor S21700 through DCS/CTI.
21. Ultra Electronics Variable Depth Sonar (VDS) known as TLFAS-Towed Low Frequency Active Sonar through DCS/CTI; (This system is designed to identify and track stealthy submarines in harsh sea environments); Future XLUUV Drone capability (MMB).
22. Sonobouy Processing System (SPS) from General Dynamics with expendable Acoustic Countermeasures through DCS/CTI.
23. Combined Diesel Electric Gas Turbine Propulsion System (CODLOG) to include 1 X Rolls Royce RR/MT 30 Gas Turbine; 2 X Electronic Motors from General Electric; 4 X RR MTU Diesel Generators; Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) from L3 Harris.
24. CSC Reconfigurable Multi-Mission Bay (MMB) along with a Rolls Royce’ Mission Bay Handling System (MBHS)-reconfigurable mission and boat bays including a 9m rescue boat, two 9-12m multi-role boats, and modular mission support (standard 20ft sea containers, other vehicles).
25. “Future-Proofing”-Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Systems-U.K. Dragon Fire DEW (Port/Stb’d waist areas); USN Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Systems-U.K. Dragon Fire DEW (Port/Stb’d waist areas); USN AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System/Tactical High Power Operational Responder (THOR) DEW systems. These DEW systems however, do require more power than usual weapons systems and may necessitate higher power rated CSC Frigate Diesel Generators (DGs). Autonomous Extra Large Uncrewed Underwater Vehicles (XLUUVs) for Special Ops missions (To be housed & launched in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB). Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) Capability with SM3/SM6 and Hypersonic Long Range Ballistic Cruise Missiles through FMS/Aegis.
26. 1 x S-92 CH 148 Cyclone Sikorsky ASW Helicopter with the ability to carry 2 X Cyclones (if required) in the hanger/MMB with Links 16/22 capability; Skeldar V200 UAV-Unmanned Aerial Vehicle helicopter drone system with IR Camera & Data Link capability (possibly x 2) from Saab-known as CU-176 "Gargoyle" helicopter drone either in the hanger or in 20 ft containers in the Multi-Mission Bay (MMB).
27. Speed-approximately 27-30 kts. Statement Of Requirement (SOR); required capability for US Carrier Battle Group (CBG) Ops.
28. Crew Compliment-210 max (with separate female officer/sailor quarters).

Latest CSC Info-graphic from Lockheed Martin & BAE

MAJOR CSC EQUIPMENT AS PER THE CSC AEGIS COMBAT SYSTEM (CS) ARCHITECTURAL ARRANGEMENT​

Equipment Name	Procurement Path	Integration Path
Aegis Combat System	FMS	Aegis
3D AESA SPY 7 (V 3) Radar	FMS	Aegis
Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC)	FMS/DCS combined	Aegis
Radar Electronic Support Measure (ESM) SEWIP Block 2	FMS	Aegis
Identification Friend or Foe (IFF)	FMS	Aegis
Mk-41 Vertical Launch System	FMS	Aegis
Missiles ESSSM Block 2; SM2; Tomahawk	FMS	Aegis
Precision Navigation and Timing (PNT)	FMS	Aegis
Lockheed Martin (LM)-Nulka Electronic Warfare Missile Decoy System-Electronic Support Measures (ESM-RAVEN) Electronic Jammer/Decoy System	FMS	Aegis
Close-In Air Defence System (CIADS)-Sea Ceptor	DCS	Aegis
Surface-To-Surface Missile Naval Strike Missile (NSM)	DCS	Aegis
Link 11/16/22	FMS	Aegis
Canadian Tactical Interface (CTI)	DCS	CTI
MDA Laser Warning and Countermeasures	DCS	CTI
SRD-506 Communication ESM System	DCS	CTI
Hull Mounted Sonar-Ultra S2150	DCS	CTI
Surface Ship Torpedo Defence System-Ultra S2170	DCS	CTI
Towed Low Frequency Active Sonar-Ultra LFAPS-C	DCS	CTI
Sonobouy Processing System-General Dynamics Canada	DCS	CTI
Torpedo Setting Panel Mk-331 for MK-54 Torpedo	FMS	CTI
Integrated Communications System-L3 Harris	DCS	N/A
OSI Maritime-Integrated Bridge System	DCS	N/A
Main Gun System-Leonardo 5”-127mm Vulcano Gun With NA-30S Mk-2 Fire Control System (FCS)	DCS	Under Development
Secondary Gun System-Leonardo-X 30mm Lionfish-30mm (x 2)	DCS	Under Development

FMS= Foreign Military Sales; DCS=Direct Commercial Sales; CTI=Canadian Tactical Interface
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[Nilgiri]

The ship tonnage has increased-8,080 tonnes although that may not be the full-load weight (possibly around 9,400 tonnes):

Thanks for the updates Dave, keep them coming.

This is actually good to hear about the tonnage, we are only building so many in the end, so might as well invest every possible thing we can for the effort involved.

 

[Underway]

Wanted to add some thoughts on why the MDA Xband radar isn't on the new ship as there was discussion earlier on this. I think folks need to look at the reason an Xband FC radar is normally fitted on ships. Its for fire control of semi active Surface to Air missiles and ships main gun systems.

Since the ESSM block 2, current SM2 family variants and the CAMM all either are full active homing missiles or have active homing+X or S band semi active homing modes the CSC doesn't need to have an Xband for missile guidance anymore. Either it uses S band Semi Active or more likely a more effective Active homing capability. Essentially the missile flies to a predicted intercept point and turns on its own homing radar.

The advantages are in an engagement you can use many missiles on many different bearings and not worry about illumination timing handoff, thus can engage many enemy targets on multiple bearings at the same time. You might reduce your electronic signature and stop enemy missile from homing in on your FC signal, you can better do cooperative engagment as you only need a track and expected position to engage instead of illumination, and you can engage beyond the horizon as the FC system can't illuminate over the earths curvature.

The gun still needs tracking however so the change to just a NA-30S Mk-2 Fire Control System (FCS) for the 127mm to ensure that you get an accurate tracking of the ships own rounds towards a target..

I would expect that this saves a lot of cost, weight up high, design complication, and most importantly mast space for other sensors and EW effectors.

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

Wanted to add some thoughts on why the MDA Xband radar isn't on the new ship as there was discussion earlier on this. I think folks need to look at the reason an Xband FC radar is normally fitted on ships. Its for fire control of semi active Surface to Air missiles and ships main gun systems.

Since the ESSM block 2, current SM2 family variants and the CAMM all either are full active homing missiles or have active homing+X or S band semi active homing modes the CSC doesn't need to have an Xband for missile guidance anymore. Either it uses S band Semi Active or more likely a more effective Active homing capability. Essentially the missile flies to a predicted intercept point and turns on its own homing radar.

The advantages are in an engagement you can use many missiles on many different bearings and not worry about illumination timing handoff, thus can engage many enemy targets on multiple bearings at the same time. You might reduce your electronic signature and stop enemy missile from homing in on your FC signal, you can better do cooperative engagment as you only need a track and expected position to engage instead of illumination, and you can engage beyond the horizon as the FC system can't illuminate over the earths curvature.

The gun still needs tracking however so the change to just a NA-30S Mk-2 Fire Control System (FCS) for the 127mm to ensure that you get an accurate tracking of the ships own rounds towards a target..

I would expect that this saves a lot of cost, weight up high, design complication, and most importantly mast space for other sensors and EW effectors.

Hello Underway. I get that the X Band Illumination Radar (by MDA) is now not required for the SPY 7 (V3) radar but, any radar can be jammed to some degree. Is this something Canada should be concerned about with the NA-30S Mk-2 Fire Control System (FCS) for the 127mm? The LM SPY 7 (V3) Radar seems to be an outstanding fit for the CSC Frigate, even though it hasn't been proven yet on a Naval ship (the Spanish Frigates will be the "Trials Ships" no doubt). How effective will Canadas Raven System be?

 

[Underway]

Hello Underway. I get that the X Band Illumination Radar (by MDA) is now not required for the SPY 7 (V3) radar but, any radar can be jammed to some degree.

It's not that its not required for the SPY 7, its that its not required for the missiles to engage their targets. The Sea Sparrow evolution is similar to the Air to Air Sparrow. The old Sea Sparrow needed a FC Xband to guide it to the target. The new ESSM 2 is more like an AMRAAM (the current evolution of Air to Air missile) where the missile does its own final guidance to the target.

As for jamming, its difficult to provide enough active power to actually jam a FC radar based on a ship (too much power), its easier to jam an AMRAAM style active missile but those are engaging aircraft or enemy missiles which may or may not have the frequency flexibility to actually jam. More likely you could spoof, seduce or decoy a surface to air missile when it turns on its own radar.

As for a SPY7, it has to much frequency hopping, power and number/variety of beamforming to easily perform ECM on it.

Is this something Canada should be concerned about with the NA-30S Mk-2 Fire Control System (FCS) for the 127mm?

Tracking your own rounds is the primary here, as it will give you corrections to fire the following rounds more accurately (as the gun heats up, you get a better understanding of the air movement/pressure etc...). You only need to track rounds out to a certain distance not far from the ship to get the corrections you need.

I suspect the FCS for the 127mm is to improve surface contact engagements as well by giving a very accurate position of the surface target. Spy 7 might be good enough for air engagements.

The LM SPY 7 (V3) Radar seems to be an outstanding fit for the CSC Frigate, even though it hasn't been proven yet on a Naval ship (the Spanish Frigates will be the "Trials Ships" no doubt).

Japanese have trailed the shore based "ship version" which has tracked space targets. Also Taiwan has signed on to use SPY 7 as well. That's four countries so far.

How effective will Canadas Raven System be?

No idea. The website for RAVEN explains it. It says its an evolution of the RAMSES system currently used by the RCN. RCN recently stated that they are upgrading RAMSES. Based on this I can only logically conclude the RAVEN is a different version of RAMSES upgraded for modern missile threats, as the original RAMSES was designed for 1990's missile threats (of which there are still lots out there!).

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

It's not that its not required for the SPY 7, its that its not required for the missiles to engage their targets. The Sea Sparrow evolution is similar to the Air to Air Sparrow. The old Sea Sparrow needed a FC Xband to guide it to the target. The new ESSM 2 is more like an AMRAAM (the current evolution of Air to Air missile) where the missile does its own final guidance to the target.

As for jamming, its difficult to provide enough active power to actually jam a FC radar based on a ship (too much power), its easier to jam an AMRAAM style active missile but those are engaging aircraft or enemy missiles which may or may not have the frequency flexibility to actually jam. More likely you could spoof, seduce or decoy a surface to air missile when it turns on its own radar.

As for a SPY7, it has to much frequency hopping, power and number/variety of beamforming to easily perform ECM on it.

Tracking your own rounds is the primary here, as it will give you corrections to fire the following rounds more accurately (as the gun heats up, you get a better understanding of the air movement/pressure etc...). You only need to track rounds out to a certain distance not far from the ship to get the corrections you need.

I suspect the FCS for the 127mm is to improve surface contact engagements as well by giving a very accurate position of the surface target. Spy 7 might be good enough for air engagements.


Japanese have trailed the shore based "ship version" which has tracked space targets. Also Taiwan has signed on to use SPY 7 as well. That's four countries so far.


No idea. The website for RAVEN explains it. It says its an evolution of the RAMSES system currently used by the RCN. RCN recently stated that they are upgrading RAMSES. Based on this I can only logically conclude the RAVEN is a different version of RAMSES upgraded for modern missile threats, as the original RAMSES was designed for 1990's missile threats (of which there are still lots out there!).

Thanks Underway for that very informative and fast reply. I actually knew a lot of what you have commented on but was unfamiliar of some of your SPY 7 (V3) comments. Cheers and have a "Great Navy Day"!!

 

[Ted Barnes]

L3Harris to Supply Communications System for Canadian Surface Combatant – CSC

Artist impression of CSC (BAE Systems image)

L3Harris To Supply Communications System For Canadian Surface Combatant – CSC​

Lockheed Martin Canada has awarded L3Harris Technologies the Integrated Communications System for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) of the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN), aimed at bolstering their operational efficacy and security on maritime missions.​

Naval News Staff 31 May 2024

L3Harris press release

The CSC program, spearheaded by Irving Shipbuilding Inc., Lockheed Martin Canada and a consortium of partners, is a beacon of maritime innovation and revitalization within Canada’s shipbuilding sector. With Irving Shipbuilding leading the construction efforts under the National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS), Lockheed Martin Canada is at the helm of the design team, collaborating with L3Harris to integrate systems in Canada.

“This award underscores L3Harris’ steadfast partnership with Lockheed Martin Canada and validates our reputation for delivering dependable solutions. Our Integrated Communications System is a testament to our commitment to advancing technology and innovation, ensuring unparalleled reliability, effectiveness and seamless connectivity crucial for modern naval operations.”

Anthony Nigara, President, Maritime, L3Harris

The program marks a significant milestone in Canada’s defence industry, with promising prospects for market expansion and global exports. Initial deliveries for the first three ships of the 15-vessel program are slated to commence in 2027, signalling a bright future for growth and advancement.

Central to L3Harris’ Integrated Communications System is the assurance of reliable and effective communication capabilities for RCN vessels, amplifying maritime safety, operational efficiency and mission success. This emphasizes the pivotal role played by L3Harris in supporting Canada’s maritime interests and national security imperatives.

“Contracting with L3Harris to provide the Integrated Communications System demonstrates our commitment to providing the best domestic mission-critical capabilities to the Canadian Navy,” said Devon Rodgers, Director Canada Programs, Lockheed Martin Canada. “This technology provides the future CSC a secure and capable platform to ensure connectivity across the fleet.”

The Integrated Communications System developed by L3Harris is indispensable for enhancing situational awareness, operational efficiency and safety aboard RCN vessels. It aligns seamlessly with the ship’s primary mission objectives and contributes to overall effectiveness in maritime operations. Importantly, this initiative aligns with the Canadian NSS, representing a cornerstone in modernizing Canada’s naval fleet by constructing Type 26 Global Combat Ships.

 

[DAVEBLOGGINS]

It's not that its not required for the SPY 7, its that its not required for the missiles to engage their targets. The Sea Sparrow evolution is similar to the Air to Air Sparrow. The old Sea Sparrow needed a FC Xband to guide it to the target. The new ESSM 2 is more like an AMRAAM (the current evolution of Air to Air missile) where the missile does its own final guidance to the target.

As for jamming, its difficult to provide enough active power to actually jam a FC radar based on a ship (too much power), its easier to jam an AMRAAM style active missile but those are engaging aircraft or enemy missiles which may or may not have the frequency flexibility to actually jam. More likely you could spoof, seduce or decoy a surface to air missile when it turns on its own radar.

As for a SPY7, it has to much frequency hopping, power and number/variety of beamforming to easily perform ECM on it.

Tracking your own rounds is the primary here, as it will give you corrections to fire the following rounds more accurately (as the gun heats up, you get a better understanding of the air movement/pressure etc...). You only need to track rounds out to a certain distance not far from the ship to get the corrections you need.

I suspect the FCS for the 127mm is to improve surface contact engagements as well by giving a very accurate position of the surface target. Spy 7 might be good enough for air engagements.


Japanese have trailed the shore based "ship version" which has tracked space targets. Also Taiwan has signed on to use SPY 7 as well. That's four countries so far.


No idea. The website for RAVEN explains it. It says its an evolution of the RAMSES system currently used by the RCN. RCN recently stated that they are upgrading RAMSES. Based on this I can only logically conclude the RAVEN is a different version of RAMSES upgraded for modern missile threats, as the original RAMSES was designed for 1990's missile threats (of which there are still lots out there!).

Hello again Underway. Can you give any

It's not that its not required for the SPY 7, its that its not required for the missiles to engage their targets. The Sea Sparrow evolution is similar to the Air to Air Sparrow. The old Sea Sparrow needed a FC Xband to guide it to the target. The new ESSM 2 is more like an AMRAAM (the current evolution of Air to Air missile) where the missile does its own final guidance to the target.

As for jamming, its difficult to provide enough active power to actually jam a FC radar based on a ship (too much power), its easier to jam an AMRAAM style active missile but those are engaging aircraft or enemy missiles which may or may not have the frequency flexibility to actually jam. More likely you could spoof, seduce or decoy a surface to air missile when it turns on its own radar.

As for a SPY7, it has to much frequency hopping, power and number/variety of beamforming to easily perform ECM on it.

Tracking your own rounds is the primary here, as it will give you corrections to fire the following rounds more accurately (as the gun heats up, you get a better understanding of the air movement/pressure etc...). You only need to track rounds out to a certain distance not far from the ship to get the corrections you need.

I suspect the FCS for the 127mm is to improve surface contact engagements as well by giving a very accurate position of the surface target. Spy 7 might be good enough for air engagements.


Japanese have trailed the shore based "ship version" which has tracked space targets. Also Taiwan has signed on to use SPY 7 as well. That's four countries so far.


No idea. The website for RAVEN explains it. It says its an evolution of the RAMSES system currently used by the RCN. RCN recently stated that they are upgrading RAMSES. Based on this I can only logically conclude the RAVEN is a different version of RAMSES upgraded for modern missile threats, as the original RAMSES was designed for 1990's missile threats (of which there are still lots out there!).

Hello Underway. Can you give specifics on Taiwan using the "ship-based" SPY 7 radar? I had not heard that before. Cheers!