TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[what]

Even if most of the money stays within the economy, the money still has to come from somewhere.

Either the first versions of KAAN will be cheaper (don't expect it to be) as Yasar mentioned or my bet is we will go for a high-low set up with Hürjets in the mix. I dont see how we can afford it, but maybe I'm pessimistic.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Ok but by the time Germany agrees on any deal we will be a decade further before we get the first EF.
Would it still make sense to go for the EF?

Yes! There ls that too.
If UK and our “diplomats” can get Germany to give the go ahead for the sale within this year, then it would be a viable purchase. Otherwise, if it is dragged out too long, as you have rightly pointed out, it is not going to make much of a difference.

 

[Iskander]

Some colleagues began to look for shortcomings and say that all these projects are moving slowly.
Some even criticize which
- then components or devices, etc. In general, I would say that the reaction is normal.
But, listen, is 7 years a long time to produce an aircraft? Not just an airplane, a 5th generation airplane.
I must say that this is a very short period of time even for the most famous aviation companies. And for Turkey, which has nothing like this, this is simply an incredibly short period of time. After the first flight of KAAN, many observers and even experts asked in surprise: - How is this so? Is there any aircraft manufacturing in Turkey?

We forget what level Türkiye was at 10-20-30 years ago. After all, almost nothing national was produced.
Today, 4 (!) jet aircraft are moving quite quickly in parallel.
Who would have thought of this before?
I'm still impressed by KAAN's first flight.
And Anka3? HurJet! Kizil Elma!

It must be said that even the most famous aircraft manufacturers have had very, very big failures throughout their history.
There were so many unsuccessful, abandoned projects! I can't count. How many cases have planes crashed on their first flight? There were even those who couldn't even take off...
Now let's look at the first takeoffs of all four Turkish aircraft...
This is incredible!
And each of these 4, in my opinion, is simply a masterpiece of art!

 

[UkroTurk]

Even if most of the money stays within the economy, the money still has to come from somewhere.

Either the first versions of KAAN will be cheaper (don't expect it to be) as Yasar mentioned or my bet is we will go for a high-low set up with Hürjets in the mix. I dont see how we can afford it, but maybe I'm pessimistic.

İt's called war economy that Putin carries out today. Due to war economy Putin wont agree to peacedeal.

İnstead of investing and supporting construction business you are creating new jobs. Moreover this investment will make your economy enable to export.

The more number you produce, you lower the costs so you are compatible.

Absolutely investing in expensive weapons is more profitable than in construction business.

We will export them and gain foreign currency which we are lack of.

 

[Huelague]

Even if most of the money stays within the economy, the money still has to come from somewhere.

Either the first versions of KAAN will be cheaper (don't expect it to be) as Yasar mentioned or my bet is we will go for a high-low set up with Hürjets in the mix. I dont see how we can afford it, but maybe I'm pessimistic.

Take from taxpayers, give it to defence industry.

 

[UkroTurk]

Take from taxpayers, give it to defence industry.

İt won't bring additional burden on tax payers. İf there weren't 400 Kaan , people would have to same amount and percentage of taxes.

Government just allocates funds in budget. For instance instead payment of health care and other costs of refugees, having 400 Kaan sounds Better.

Or 92 billion TL ( 3 billion USD) 2024 budget of diyanet 10yeaer x3billion: 30billion USD . Here is your new air force.

 

[Huelague]

İt won't bring additional burden on tax payers. İf there weren't 400 Kaan , people would have to same amount and percentage of taxes.

Never mentioned such thing

 

[Yasar_TR]

İt won't bring additional burden on tax payers. İf there weren't 400 Kaan , people would have to same amount and percentage of taxes.

Government just allocates funds in budget. For instance instead payment of health care and other costs of refugees, having 400 Kaan sounds Better.

Or 92 billion TL ( 3 billion USD) 2024 budget of diyanet 10yeaer x3billion: 30billion USD . Here is your new air force.

I am afraid you are missing a very important point. Let me explain again.

- If you buy a truck from abroad for military, that truck stays inert in a warehouse waiting to be used in case of war. But you have used foreign currency reserves to buy it.
- If you produce in house a truck for your military, then you have not used foreign currency reserves. But your truck is still sitting in a warehouse not contributing to anything.
- If you buy a truck from abroad for your haulage industry, then you are contributing to economy. Employing people, carrying goods etc , even if you used foreign currency reserves to buy it.
- If you produce the truck for your military or your haulage industry and also export it; then you have maximum contribution to your economy.

Your definition of “war-economy” is only applicable to some extent if you have endless natural resources like Russia, China and USA. Even then, these countries would not be utilising their resources to their full extent.

War is an expensive business. In the end it could deplete your natural resources that feeds it.

So as per both @what ’s and @Huelague ’s comments ; the money has to come from somewhere and that is from taxpayers and country’s natural resources that are ill used..

Having a strong military, however, has certain economic and diplomatic advantages that help the country. A few can be listed as:
It would be a deterrent for countries that may otherwise have ulterior motives towards you. It would help insure and to consolidate safe trade with overseas markets. It would help your voice as a country to be heard louder. It would make it easier for your defence industry products to be sold.

 

[UkroTurk]

- If you produce in house a truck for your military, then you have not used foreign currency reserves. But your truck is still sitting in a warehouse not contributing to anything.

You said well as always but
I don't agree with it. Your truck creates jobs in your country so before sitting in the warehouse, Made in Türkiye truck contributed to national economy.

Government distributed job opportunities to jobless citizens.

 

[Spitfire9]

How is the first frame to fly progressing with flight testing> Is it flying>

 

[TheInsider]

Turkiye will buy 240+ Kaans till 2040 this is set in stone. It might be higher but not lower.

 

[uçuyorum]

Turkiye will buy 240+ Kaans till 2040 this is set in stone. It might be higher but not lower.

240 Kaan, still 200 F16, several hundred drones of various kinds. I mean it is a huge sum of money, but also a formidable force. My one hope is Kaan may require fewer additional planes to operate by virtue of being so big, like tanker, awacs and jammer for basic missions.

 

[TheInsider]

240 Kaan, still 200 F16, several hundred drones of various kinds. I mean it is a huge sum of money, but also a formidable force. My one hope is Kaan may require fewer additional planes to operate by virtue of being so big, like tanker, awacs and jammer for basic missions.

Anka-3 tanker version will be able to refuel KAAN. The final version of Kaan will be very close to a 6th Gen Fighter.

 

[uçuyorum]

Anka-3 tanker version will be able to refuel KAAN. The final version of Kaan will be very close to a 6th Gen Fighter.

Kaan's internal fuel tank is larger than entire mtow of anka 3

 

[TheInsider]

There will be a bigger Anka-3.

 

[Yasar_TR]

You said well as always but
I don't agree with it. Your truck creates jobs in your country so before sitting in the warehouse, Made in Türkiye truck contributed to national economy.

Government distributed job opportunities to jobless citizens.

Not quite!
On the surface it may look like government created jobs. But those jobs did not produce something that added to national income.
You produced that truck with funds taken from taxpayers’ money and handed it out to few jobless. In return you got nothing. It did not generate any revenues to add to country’s wealth. Overall balance in economical terms is negative. If you do not have abundant natural resources to compensate for it, in the long run, the country would go bust.

Yes it is better to produce it yourself. But apart from some of the advantages I listed in previous post, any money spent on military is inert unproductive investment, unless you export a good proportion of it.
Having said that, it is vital that we produce and strengthen our military capability, in spite of any negative economical effects it may have. Our survival as a free nation depends on that.
So our economy has to grow constantly in other areas to fund it.

 

[Sanchez]

There will be a bigger Anka-3.

It needs to be about 3 times the size to be able to carry the boom necessary to refuel Kaan. Americans spent 10 years to perfect KC-46’s remote controlled boom where the boom operator still sits inside the aircraft. Should be fun for the folks at TAI to master that challenge.

 

[uçuyorum]

It needs to be about 3 times the size to be able to carry the boom necessary to refuel Kaan. Americans spent 10 years to perfect KC-46’s remote controlled boom where the boom operator still sits inside the aircraft. Should be fun for the folks at TAI to master that challenge.

You also need to take into account the tanker has to fuel Kaan and make it back itself. And tankers usually refuel multiple times, but lets say even 1 tank full is useful. Regardless, the tanker needs to be many times heavier.

 

[Strong AI]

IMO the duty of an ANKA 3 tanker will be to compensate for external fuel tanks on stealth fighters, not for refueling them up to the brim.

 

[boredaf]

I genuinely don't get the point of wanting to turn a flying wing drone into a tanker. Not only you would have to make it almost as big as a B2 for it to be actually as effective as an actual tanker, but also it is an utter waste of a flying wing drone.

Instead of trying of trying to fit a triangle shaped piece into a rectangle hole, if TAI is serious about making a tanker, they should focus on designing a proper plane that we can turn into not only a tanker but also use for transportation, modify to be a AWACS and whatnot.