TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[DBdev]

You seems to have a misunderstanding of how radar emissions and RWR work.

You are the one that brought up RWR not me. I was talking about F22 AESA Receiver modules that are sensitive to radar waves from others' transmitters while running in silent mode. RWR is a more basic version with receivers only. But principles are the same there too.

Radar warning receiver - Wikipedia

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[Afif]

You are the one that brought up RWR not me. I was talking about F22 AESA Receiver modules that are sensitive to radar waves from others' transmitters while running in silent mode. RWR is a more basic version with receivers only. But principles are the same there too.

Radar warning receiver - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Both dedicated RWR and AESA T/R modules only listening passively work with the same principle. Neither is gonna detect an emission that is not directed to it.

 

[DBdev]

Both dedicated RWR and AESA T/R modules only listening passively work with the same principle. Neither is gonna detect an emission that is not directed to it.

Breaking news for you: All light SCATTERS!
Even highest quality, most focused light (laser) scatters. That is how a camera can see a focused laser wave that is not directed to it. Did you bother to read my post?

The Increased Risk of Lasers for Mirrorless Cameras

I have been shooting concerts for many years. These are mostly bands in small, dark, and obscure venues with not much light to work with. But eventually a lot of bands started to use lasers as a part of their show. That resulted once in a damaged sensor. I believe today there is a greater risk...

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[TheInsider]

@TheInsider F-22 radar can see radar signals of all the F-35s flying below it through R modules while in passive mode without transmitting anything even when F-35 AESA (most modern hard to detect) are targeting other planes. Similar to Sentinel satellites seeing Sx00 radar signals from all the way from space but better since this is AESA.

This method is similar to submarines rarely sending a sonar ping and running sonar silent for days while constantly listening for enemy pings.
Will BURFIS receiver modules be able to scan the sky for enemy AESA radar signals and channel hopping encrypted communications even when they are not directed at KAAN?

Submarines can send a single pulse instead of max power continuous waves to detect other silent running submarines. Can KAAN do that single ping tactic against a silent F22?

A visual aid

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729755353112285380

Every radar does that to some extent. You can listen to RF signals that your receiver can pick up. In that regard, the F-35 is likely better than the F-22 as its radar is more advanced. If your receiver module has wide frequency coverage it can pick up signals at a wide frequency range and if it is more sensitive it can pick up weak signals and pick up signals in a high noise environment it will perform better. Algorithms and filters also come into the equation it is not something simple.

 

[Afif]

Every radar does that to some extent. You can listen to RF signals that your receiver can pick up. In that regard, the F-35 is likely better than the F-22 as its radar is more advanced. If your receiver module has wide frequency coverage it can pick up signals at a wide frequency range and if it is more sensitive it can pick up weak signals and pick up signals in a high noise environment it will perform better. Algorithms and filters also come into the equation it is not something simple.

No, he think it radar T/R modules can pick up emmision that is not directed to it. That is simply not gonna happen. If i am on a F35 and my APG-81 is only emitting at 65-70 degrees and a KAAN coming at me from my 132 degrees head on, it's not gonna detect anything. Unless APG-81 directs its beams toward that direction.

 

[DBdev]

Every radar does that to some extent. You can listen to RF signals that your receiver can pick up. In that regard, the F-35 is likely better than the F-22 as its radar is more advanced. If your receiver module has wide frequency coverage it can pick up signals at a wide frequency range and if it is more sensitive it can pick up weak signals and pick up signals in a high noise environment it will perform better. Algorithms and filters also come into the equation it is not something simple.

Yes exactly. This guy kept insisting you can't see anything if they are not giving you their full radar blast for 10 messages despite various examples I provided that debunked his posts. Sheesh.

But in order to achieve this you need 2 things, very high quality (low noise) receiver modules (as in a sat LNB hardware with lower noise level being able to capture sat signals better, etc.) and also advanced purpose specific signal processing software module for said passive detection mode.

An example to that: Sentinel satellites can not detect ground radar signals focusing on a ship, for example, not with their default settings. But data is still there with various software filters and software signal frequency boosters+dampeners, you can adjust it so that it CAN see the actual radar waves all the way from space!

F-22 is an American only air superiority fighter. It makes sense that they don't allow F-35s to be at the level of their best fighter planes. Not that it is not capable in theory.

My point was about the passive quality of our BURFIS. High energy is a good thing in certain scenarios but passive running high quality radar hardware, software is even better. Stealth is not just about Radar and IR. Stealth communication and radar operation are all parts of stealth. Even engine noise is important in certain scenarios.

 

[valarmogu]

ASELSAN Started Delivery of ALP 300-G Early Warning Radar to the Turkish Army
ALP 300-G early warning radar system is a long-range radar system developed by ASELSAN in line with the needs of the Air Force Command.

The radar has AESA antenna architecture and digital beam shaping infrastructure and is tactical. It has a new generation S-band radar architecture that can be quickly installed and integrated into platforms.

ASELSAN ; Türk Ordusu İçin ALP 300-G Erken İhbar Radarı Teslimatına Başladı! - ULU Savunma

ASELSAN, Türk Ordusu için ALP 300-G Taşınabilir Erken İhbar Radarı Sisteminin (TEİRS) teslimatlarına başladığını açıkladı...

www.ulusavunma.com

 

[Afif]

Apart from it being an excellent multirole system providing air defence and weapon locating functions, notice the last part? This is not the least exciting.

Passive defense is not something always in the minds of defence enthusiasts when we think about air and missile defence. First thing that comes to minds is active air defence systems like HISAR or SIPER.

However in reality, armed forces are almost never able to field sufficient numbers air defence systems and interceptors to cover the whole front + friendly tactical, operational, and strategic depth to protects the high value rear assets.

Considering the cost disparity between GLMRS type fires and the interceptors required to shoot them down, it is always much easier to saturate the expensive air defence systems with cheap GMLRS at operational ranges.

Thus, for all militaries (including the most advanced ones) passive defense is the primary option when it comes to air and missiles defense. And for the most militaries like BD army, realistically it is the only option most of the time.

Passive AMD is something that includes all measures, other than active AMD, taken to minimize the effectiveness of hostile air and missile threats against friendly forces and assets. I.e. camouflage, concealment, deception (CCD) and dispersion. However these are often not enough.

Here, ALP being able to Generate instant automated alarm by precisely calculating the point of impact could be an excellent layer of passive defence against enemy GMLRS. Which in most cases, as seen in Ukraine-conflict is the workhorse of enemy's operational fires.

In the scenario we are discussing here, the time is most precious. A M31 type projectile spends 2-3 minutes in the air. Thus the window of taking defensive measures is very short. Existing traditional line of manual communication is never to going to get the alarm to the relevant unit within relevant time. However, an ALP-300G enabled by advanced AI aided comprehensive C4 system that connects all the units down to the sub-tactical level, would get the alarms to the relevant units within matter of seconds without requiring any Manual intervention in the middle, thanks to the high degree of automation. If the targeted units gets the early warning even by 50-60 seconds before the impact, it would save a number of lives, and perhaps even some equipments and hardware in certain circumstances.

 

[Strong AI]

ASELSAN Started Delivery of ALP 300-G Early Warning Radar to the Turkish Army
ALP 300-G early warning radar system is a long-range radar system developed by ASELSAN in line with the needs of the Air Force Command.

The radar has AESA antenna architecture and digital beam shaping infrastructure and is tactical. It has a new generation S-band radar architecture that can be quickly installed and integrated into platforms.

ASELSAN ; Türk Ordusu İçin ALP 300-G Erken İhbar Radarı Teslimatına Başladı! - ULU Savunma

ASELSAN, Türk Ordusu için ALP 300-G Taşınabilir Erken İhbar Radarı Sisteminin (TEİRS) teslimatlarına başladığını açıkladı...

www.ulusavunma.com

 

[Anmdt]

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Apart from it being an excellent multirole system providing air defence and weapon locating functions, notice the last part? This is not the least exciting.

Passive defense is not something always in the minds of defence enthusiasts when we think about air and missile defence. First thing that comes to minds is active air defence systems like HISAR or SIPER.

However in reality, armed forces are almost never able to field sufficient numbers air defence systems and interceptors to cover the whole front + friendly tactical, operational, and strategic depth to protects the high value rear assets.

Considering the cost disparity between GLMRS type fires and the interceptors required to shoot them down, it is always much easier to saturate the expensive air defence systems with cheap GMLRS at operational ranges.

Thus, for all militaries (including the most advanced ones) passive defense is the primary option when it comes to air and missiles defense. And for the most militaries like BD army, realistically it is the only option most of the time.

Passive AMD is something that includes all measures, other than active AMD, taken to minimize the effectiveness of hostile air and missile threats against friendly forces and assets. I.e. camouflage, concealment, deception (CCD) and dispersion. However these are often not enough.

Here, ALP being able to Generate instant automated alarm by precisely calculating the point of impact could be an excellent layer of passive defence against enemy GMLRS. Which in most cases, as seen in Ukraine-conflict is the workhorse of enemy's operational fires.

In the scenario we are discussing here, the time is most precious. A M31 type projectile spends 2-3 minutes in the air. Thus the window of taking defensive measures is very short. Existing traditional line of manual communication is never to going to get the alarm to the relevant unit within relevant time. However, an ALP-300G enabled by advanced AI aided comprehensive C4 system that connects all the units down to the sub-tactical level, would get the alarms to the relevant units within matter of seconds without requiring any Manual intervention in the middle, thanks to the high degree of automation. If the targeted units gets the early warning even by 50-60 seconds before the impact, it would save a number of lives, and perhaps even some equipments and hardware in certain circumstances.

Looks like they changed designations to suit TurAF's taste. ALP-300G now refers to ERALP.

 

[No Name]

Looks like they changed designations to suit TurAF's taste. ALP-300G now refers to ERALP.

Any reason why the TurAF wanted it changed?

 

[Afif]

Any reason why the TurAF wanted it changed?

As he said, TurAF's taste.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792486754747912533

@Anmdt something is not right. If this is ALP-300G, then which is the original ALP from Aselsan borchure? Or are they gonna name all the radars beginning with ALP with different numbers designation?

 

[TR_123456]

 

[Yasar_TR]

Multiple Systems working as a single system makes the invisible, visible.

Words uttered At around 1minute 10 sec and onwards; This statement is the heart of this EIRS radar news piece.
A conglomeration of AESA radars working as one and making the invisible, visible.
I would like to know if that was intentionally spent words for all those adversaries of ours who are stuck on purchasing stealthy planes and latest air platforms.
With such a network of radar system connection between ground and air platforms, any plane or ADS of ours connected to that network that can fire the latest missiles will have overall dominance of the air.

That is one brave and outrageous statement!

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Multiple Systems working as a single system makes the invisible, visible.

That is one brave and outrageous statement!

Would you say it's an exaggeration?

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1792486754747912533

@Anmdt something is not right. If this is ALP-300G, then which is the original ALP from Aselsan borchure? Or are they gonna name all the radars beginning with ALP with different numbers designation?

In the ceremony Aselsan's GM has also referred to AIR which was originally known as "ALP" but given no name. We will hear it once that is delivered, i suppose.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Would you say it's an exaggeration?

Knowing our military’s stance about giving specifics and how economical they are with truth and secretive about all military matters , I would say no!
However that is a defiant and challenging statement to all relevant parties.

 

[uçuyorum]

Knowing our military’s stance about giving specifics and how economical they are with truth and secretive about all military matters , I would say no!
However that is a defiant and challenging statement to all relevant parties.

Are they talking about multiple systems being able to act as a multistatic radar?

 

[Quasar]

Equally and may be even the more importatnt issue is not only the radars of your Air deffence systems or your aircrafts but the radars of your missiles at final stage