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Float, Move, and Fight. How the U.S. Navy lost the shipbuilding race​

By Alexander Wooley
OCTOBER 10, 2021, 1:44 AM

The 21st century has not been kind to the U.S. Navy’s vast surface fleet. In an effort to leap ahead of other navies through revolutionary designs and technologies, the Navy has instead fallen significantly behind, accepting into service ships that struggle to even “float, move, and fight”—the basic functions of the most rudimentary warship. Ship classes have been cut, and many vessels have been retired early, while others wait years for repairs. These include supposedly cutting-edge vessels that were meant to be the backbone of the current and near-future fleet.

The failures are legion and the details excruciating—to taxpayers and even more so to Navy planners: The Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) was meant to offer the U.S. Navy a way to take the fight close to hostile coasts. The Navy imagined a Swiss Army knife-style vessel, with mission packages swapped in and out as needed. Yet the LCS manages to combine a lack of firepower with serious defensive vulnerabilities and routine mechanical breakdowns. Two key systems—to counter mines and submarines—have never become operational. LCS costs doubled during construction, the original class size of 52 was cut to 35, and the Navy is retiring the lead ships after just a dozen years of service.

Or consider the massive, futuristic Zumwalt-class stealth destroyer. Only three of an originally planned 32 ships are going to be built. Some estimates have the all-in costs for the Zumwalt at $7 billion per ship—more expensive than the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers they might be expected to escort. The ship’s main armament, a new technology called a railgun, doesn’t work and would not have been of much use in a maritime conflict with China anyway. In mid-2021, the railgun was effectively canceled.

Then there’s the Ford. Though a varsity athlete at the University of Michigan, U.S. President Gerald Ford was known for physical stumbles, and his namesake nuclear-powered vessel, a long-awaited replacement for the workhorse Nimitz-class carrier, has unfortunately followed in his missteps. The overly ambitious design includes new propulsion, a buggy magnetic catapult, a new aircraft arresting system, a new primary radar, and advanced weapons elevators. Each new technology has had extensive problems, cost overruns, and delays. The Navy issues a news release every time it gets one of the ammunition elevators to work.

Over the past 20 years, the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) has issued roughly 40 reports or testimonies on problematic ship types. Less attention has been paid to the totality of the problem as well as its origins and common symptoms. Together, the many failures constitute a lost generation of shipbuilding, leaving the Navy unready at a time when China has already built the world’s biggest fleet, with more hulls splashing off its slipways every year. Given that tensions with China may only worsen—potentially spilling over into outright conflict—the United States needs to take better stock of how it got into this mess.

The failures in new platforms and technologies were self-induced, unforced errors. They didn’t occur as the United States was trying to match a rival or play catch-up to another power. They came, in part, as a result of hubris—an unrivaled belief in the country’s power of rapid innovation.

One key turning point came in 1991 during Operation Desert Storm. That lightning victory was perceived not only as a success for coalition forces but for U.S. industry and technology—a star-studded debut of new weapons systems that had been decades in the making. Naval planners were dazzled by the new technology; they figured that by incorporating more revolutionary capabilities into their shipbuilding, they could build fewer hulls with smaller crews. This was particularly enticing at the time, as the end of the Cold War had seen a peace dividend that included the drawing down of the Reagan-era 600-ship fleet.

A decade later, in 2001, Donald Rumsfeld was sworn in as U.S. defense secretary, obsessed with technological revolution. He pushed for radical change. Early on in the development of the Ford, he overruled the Navy’s preference for taking a slow, evolutionary approach to developing the Nimitz’s successor, deciding the plans were not sufficiently transformational. Instead, he forced through a program that tried to pull together various revolutionary (and untested) technologies. The result: Some 20 years later, the ship has still not deployed. “The Navy embraced technology for technology’s sake,” said Rep. Elaine Luria, the vice chair of the House Armed Services Committee and a veteran surface warfare officer whose congressional district includes the massive Norfolk Naval Shipyard and Naval Station Norfolk.

One challenge was trying to design and deploy new shipboard technologies while at the same time building a new ship. Earlier cutting-edge technologies like vertically launched missiles and the AN/SPY-1 radar—core to the Ticonderoga– and Arleigh Burke-class surface ships—received extensive testing and development both onshore and at sea before they were ever installed in operational warships. This previous practice of “de-risking” meant that if a single technology failed, it failed alone. When, on the other hand, a technology fails aboard a warship that has been handed over to the Navy, the interdependence of systems means the entire ship is rendered nonoperational.

“Whole programs were premised on the introduction of new technologies that will need to work while designing the program not knowing if those technologies will actually work,” said Shelby Oakley, a director for contracting and national security acquisitions at GAO, describing flaws in the LCS and Zumwalt.

The results across all three types of vessels were the same: massive cost overruns and ships with reduced capabilities delivered late and incomplete. In the case of the LCS, the original plan was that industry would produce two different designs—prototypes that would serve as research and development vessels—and the Navy would select one. Instead, the Navy kept both test designs, and they went into production as is, deemed good enough.

The decades of U.S. shipbuilding failures were long masked by the absence of any near-peer fleet. But today, the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) has concluded that China has the largest navy in the world—by the end of 2020, it had an estimated 360 battle force ships, compared with 297 for the United States. ONI projects that China will have 400 battle force ships by 2025 and 425 by 2030. More worrisome for U.S. planners: Chinese warships are increasingly capable, reducing the quality gap that is the traditional wellspring of U.S. confidence as it contemplates emerging adversaries.

The U.S. Navy now faces contradictory demands. On the one hand, Congress and others are telling it to heed the lessons of recent catastrophes and take a more incremental approach to ship and technology design, procurement, and testing. Yet it also faces congressional pressure to get a significantly larger battle force—in a hurry. That may explain the cognitive dissonance that continues to define naval planning.

For five years, the Navy has lived with the order, codified into law, to increase its fleet to 355 ships. In mid-2021, the Biden administration announced a fuzzy successor to this number, calling for 321 to 372 manned ships. At the same time, the administration and the Defense Department have sounded the alarm on the growing threat posed by China in virtually every domain, with outgoing and incoming Indo-Pacific commanders saying that China may take military action against Taiwan within the next six years. Yet the Navy’s latest budget doesn’t come close to enabling a shipbuilding program that would meet even the lower range of government targets.

The result is a Navy that continues to decommission ships faster than it builds them. It scraps multibillion-dollar hulls for a lack of repair capacity and falls further behind not just China but relative minnows like Italy and Finland, which have successfully introduced new, robust ship types that the United States has spent decades vainly trying to build. “While the Navy has expended lots of calories on attempts at LCS improvements with little to show for its efforts, other nations have continued to move forward fielding smaller, better, and more capable frigates and corvettes,” said Chris Bassler, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments who previously held a leadership role at the Navy’s Directorate for Innovation, Technology Requirements, and Test and Evaluation.

U.S. problems stem in part from the way the Navy designs ships. Post-Cold War cuts led to a slowdown in new shipbuilding across the board, and as a result, ailing private industry lobbied the Clinton administration to take on more engineering and design work, a function historically performed in-house by the Navy. Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) and its associated labs had earlier designed successful ships like the Ticonderoga-class cruisers and the Wasp-class amphibious assault ships. Then, seeking cost savings in the late 1990s, the Navy reduced this in-house naval architecture and engineering staff by 75 percent, from roughly 1,200 to 300.

But perhaps the biggest contrast with China right now is shipbuilding capacity. While China has dozens of big shipyards that can build both warships and big commercial vessels, there are only seven yards in the United States that can build major warships. That dearth of capacity has several effects. With newer classes constantly in the shop for repairs, some ships sit at pier for years before being seen to. Late in 2020, the Navy decided to scrap the $4 billion Bonhomme Richard, a big-deck amphibious assault ship that had suffered an internal fire while docked in San Diego, in large part because the industrial base was stretched too thin to be able to handle the reconstruction needed.

For decades, the number of public and private yards has been shrinking, resulting in little competition and reduced capacity. Yards won’t invest in infrastructure without orders on the books, and without a steady flow of orders, builders lose skilled workers, know-how, and subcontractors. Unlike in China, there’s little commercial shipping to fall back on to keep the U.S. shipbuilding base afloat; around 90 percent of all commercial ships today are built in South Korea, Japan, and China.

And there aren’t enough drydocks, especially if the Navy gets serious about expanding the fleet. The infrastructure is old and in poor shape: Norfolk Naval Shipyard’s Drydock Number One has been in use since 1833—it refitted the Civil War-era ironclad USS Merrimack. The newest drydock at the four Navy-run shipyards was completed in 1962. As it is, it would take almost 20 years to work through the Navy’s current maintenance backlog.

What can be done? Some think Washington should throw more money at the problem by, for example, increasing the Navy’s budget—moving away from the traditional “rule of thirds” division of budget resources among the Army, Air Force, and Navy. Another fix would be to rebuild NAVSEA’s in-house engineering and design capabilities. At the very least, critical subsystems need to be successfully prototyped before being integrated into a ship’s design. And there should be more discipline before formally launching a new shipbuilding program, ensuring that every new technology has been rigorously assessed.

But just as a slow-moving aircraft carrier generates tremendous forward momentum, the U.S. planning and budgetary process becomes hard to steer or stop once it gets going, especially when funds are already flowing to a new ship class. Add the fact that profit-pursuing private shipyards have an outsized say in the design and building of new vessels, and you have a recipe for disaster.

A straightforward fix—though difficult with annual budget assessments—would be to ensure accurate, long-term shipbuilding plans. Such plans would allow industry to make investments, hire and train workers, and build capacity. The Navy also needs to direct and work more closely with industry to help it better understand the mission the Navy wants to meet. That would ultimately lead to cost savings and efficiencies, as more ships of a given class roll off the slipways, and would keep the industrial base humming.

Potential solutions to the Navy’s shipbuilding woes should have appeal to both foreign and domestic policy agendas. The Biden administration believes that the United States must blunt China’s ambitions—across the political, economic, and cultural spectrum—by building its strength at home and working with allies abroad. And if the U.S. government wants to counter China’s industrial investment and manufacturing capacity, pursue better R&D, and employ more skilled workers, where better to start than the nation’s shipyards?

In the meantime, after more than two decades of failure, the U.S. Navy is turning to stopgap measures and holy grails—with little prospect of a bigger or stronger fleet in the near future, when the China challenge is likely to become more acute. In 2020, when the Navy selected the winning bid for the new FFG(X) guided missile frigate, it was based on an Italian design and was less technologically ambitious than the recent failed classes. It has also modernized the venerable Arleigh Burke to remain the staple of the surface fleet until a new guided missile destroyer program, launched this summer, pays dividends with a brand-new surface combatant.

But none of the short-term fixes can patch decades of failure to keep the Navy in trim. Promised warships decades ahead of their time, American sailors instead are left to go into harm’s way with ships from decades past. U.S. policymakers need to own up to that—and fix it.

 

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China is the world biggest shipbuilder by a big margin, it'll be only a matter of time for China to become the top navy in the world.
 

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Currently the USN is :

  • Working on x4 100.000 tons Ford class supercarrrier (1 to be commissioned, 1x fitting out, 2x under construction
  • 1x 100.000 tons Lewis B Puller ESB
  • 1x 48.000 tons America class light carrier
  • 2x 49.000 tons John Lewis oiler
  • 2x 25.000 tons San Antonio class LPD
  • 8x 9000 tons DDG-51 Flt IIA and III
  • 11x 10.200 tons Virginia class SSN
  • 11 x 3000 tons Freedom and Independence class LCS
  • 2x 1500 tons Spearhead fast transport
  • Expanding it's shipyard to eventually build 2-3 7400 tons Constellation class frigate a year.
 

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Currently the USN is :

  • Working on x4 100.000 tons Ford class supercarrrier (1 to be commissioned, 1x fitting out, 2x under construction
  • 1x 100.000 tons Lewis B Puller ESB
  • 1x 48.000 tons America class light carrier
  • 2x 49.000 tons John Lewis oiler
  • 2x 25.000 tons San Antonio class LPD
  • 8x 9000 tons DDG-51 Flt IIA and III
  • 11x 10.200 tons Virginia class SSN
  • 11 x 3000 tons Freedom and Independence class LCS
  • 2x 1500 tons Spearhead fast transport
  • Expanding it's shipyard to eventually build 2-3 7400 tons Constellation class frigate a year.
Navy ship expansion depends on overall shipbuilding and supporting industries, US no doubut has the best navy in the world now, but without a robust shipbuilding and supporting industries, it's only a matter of time for it to be overtaken. it's common sense.
 

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Navy ship expansion depends on overall shipbuilding and supporting industries, US no doubut has the best navy in the world now, but without a robust shipbuilding and supporting industries, it's only a matter of time for it to be overtaken. it's common sense.

Even at current shipbuilding level they're already impressive, more funding from congress and they could outbuild China , the US and its allies will lead the shipbuilding race.

Between 2009 and 2018, China produced 136 military ships, of which 11 were exported, he said, while two U.S. shipbuilders built 78 ships, of which six were exported.

Out of 136 ships China produced during 2009-2018, 72 of them are Type 056/056A corvette. A relatively cheap and simple warship to build. The US doesn't want those and insisted on larger capital ships. Hence the lower number count.

 

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In shipbuilding, China outbuilds every country in the world, year on year, Chinese navy expands at a stunning speed, given enough years, China will naturally become the biggest naval power in the world.

Actually China has been to world top maritime nation since 2018, for naval power advances, it'll take more time.

 

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In 2009 China was still a very poor country, Chinese navy only started to expand after 2015.

Not really, poor excuse

The Liaoning was purchased and worked after by the PLAN since 2005.

The type 051B/C, type 054/054A, as well as type 052C destroyer were first launched between the 2000-2010 period.
 

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2019 Surface vessel launch of navy by countries (Metric Tons)
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China Gross tonnage of ships launched 2019
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The Chinese Navy is building an incredible number of warships
Author : H I Sutton
Source : forbes.com

The Chinese Navy of today, and the future, is changed beyond all recognition from the Chinese Navy of the past

15:28, 18 December 2019

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Chinese Navy base, December 2019
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While the U.S. Navy launches a handful of AEGIS destroyers each year, the single image below of a Shanghai shipyard shows nine newly constructed Chinese warships. China’s Navy, known as the PLAN (People’s Liberation Army Navy), is modernizing at an impressive rate. And on a vast scale. A key ingredient is the construction of a fleet of large destroyers, amphibious warships and aircraft carriers. The below photo, snapped from an airplane window on December 13, and shared on social media, captures the vast scale of this construction.

Nearest the camera, a line of four newly constructed destroyers catch the sunlight. Two are Type-052D air-defense destroyers, generally equivalent to the U.S. Navy’s Arleigh Burke Class AEGIS destroyers. These displace 7,500 tons and can carry 64 large missiles including long range surface to air missiles (SAMs) and cruise missiles. The other two are larger Type-055 Class ships. These are also described as air-defense destroyers but are verging on cruisers in terms of size and fit. These are about twice the displacement and carry over 100 large missiles.

Behind them is the shipyard with its mass of construction halls and cranes. In the basin where the newest ships are docked after launch are another four destroyers. Again there are both Type-052D and Type-055 ships. Together with another Type-055 under construction on the left of the image, this brings the total number of large destroyers visible to 9. To put that into context, the Royal Navy’s entire destroyer fleet is just 6 ships. And this yard is just part of a much bigger construction program.

There are also some hovercraft that will be carried aboard the PLAN’s expanding fleet of amphibious warships. They will be used for transporting tanks and supplies from ship to shore. These are generally similar to the U.S. Navy’s Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC).

At the side of the basin, in a dry dock, is a massive Yuan Wang Class satellite and/or missile tracking ship. These are the sort of ships which look like an ocean liner but with a series of gigantic satellite dishes pointing skyward. When completed this could be used to support missile tests.

But the most impressive vessel is hidden in the background haze, barely discernible to the untrained eye. Beneath several massive gantry cranes in a purpose-built construction area is China’s next-generation aircraft carrier. China already has two carriers in service but this new carrier is expected to be significantly different. Known as the Type-003, it is believed to have electromagnetic catapults like the latest U.S. Navy Ford Class carrier. It is not expected to be launched for some time.

Other developments are not visible in the photo. It is the same shipyard where China’s mysterious sailless submarine has been constructed. Although that submarine is not clearly apparent in the photograph, it may be present in the basin.

This image paints an interesting picture of Chinese naval modernization. Yet the biggest takeaway is that this shipyard is not alone. There are many yards across China which are similarly impressive. The Chinese Navy of today, and the future, is changed beyond all recognition from the Chinese Navy of the past. The world naval balance is shifting.

https://112.international/politics/...g-an-incredible-number-of-warships-46667.html
 

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China’s navy shipbuilders are ‘outbuilding everybody’
The second Type 075 amphibious warship, being built in Hudong Zhonghua shipyard in Shanghai, is about to be launched
By DAVE MAKICHUK
MARCH 11, 2020

Welcome to another headache for the Pentagon — it appears China has grasped accelerated shipbuilding technologies and related aircraft development as its march toward an imposing blue water navy continues unabated.

According to the Global Times, China is reportedly set to launch its second Type 075 amphibious assault ship soon following the launch of the first one in September.

An amphibious assault ship is a type of warship which military analysts believe could play a crucial role in reunifying the island of Taiwan by force, if it comes to that, and even more are needed, the report said.

In its annual report on China published last year, the Defense Department stated that its Asian rival has more than 300 surface combatants, submarines, amphibious ships, patrol craft and other specialized vessels, the report said.

In 2019, China had a 335-ship fleet, about 55% larger than in 2005, according to a recent Congressional Research Service report titled, “China’s Naval Modernization: Implications for U.S. Navy Capabilities — Background and Issues for Congress.”

“There is no doubt that they’ve been investing hugely in this,” said Nick Childs, senior fellow for naval forces and maritime security at the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies. “In recent years, they’ve been outbuilding everybody.”

To put it in perspective, during a recent four-year period the naval vessels that Chinese shipyards produced were roughly equivalent in tonnage to the entire U.K. Royal Navy or the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/chinas-navy-shipbuilders-are-outbuilding-everybody/
 

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Even at current shipbuilding level they're already impressive, more funding from congress and they could outbuild China , the US and its allies will lead the shipbuilding race.
U.S. Shipbuilding Is At Its Lowest Ebb Ever. How Did America Fall So Far?
Loren Thompson
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Jul 23, 2021,10:12am EDT

In 1919, Ralph D. Paine began a brief history of the old U.S. merchant marine with these words:

“The story of American ships and sailors is an epic of blue water which seems singularly remote, almost unreal, to the later generations. A people with a native genius for seafaring won and held a brilliant supremacy through two centuries and then forsook this heritage of theirs. The period of achievement was no more extraordinary than was its swift declension.”

Paine was talking mainly about the era of sailing ships, when U.S. whalers and traders often ventured to the opposite side of the world in pursuit of prizes.

But he might just as well have been talking about the state of U.S. shipbuilding and maritime trades today, which have virtually collapsed over the last generation.

A nation that was among the world’s leaders in commercial shipbuilding at key junctures in its history today builds less than 10 vessels for oceangoing commerce in a typical year.

China builds over a thousand such ships each year.

The entire U.S.-registered fleet of oceangoing commercial ships numbers fewer than 200 vessels, out of a global total of 44,000.

And despite trade flows to and from America exceeding a trillion dollars annually—the vast preponderance of which travel by sea—U.S.-registered ships carry barely 1% of that traffic.

That is quite a decline from the year I was born, 1951, when the U.S. merchant marine transported a third of all global trade.

To make matters worse, the U.S. Navy has apparently lost its capacity to keep up with China in military shipbuilding.


China now has the largest fleet of warships in the world, about 350, while America’s Navy is struggling to get above 300.

The Navy’s request for ship construction funds next year envisions building only four combat vessels (out of eight total), a level of effort that if sustained would guarantee Chinese maritime dominance by 2030.

U.S. sailors are still better trained and better equipped than their Chinese counterparts, but all the trends are in the wrong direction.

It tells you a lot about the state of America’s maritime sector that the largest exporter of containerized cargo to the U.S. is a shipping company owned outright by the Chinese government.

The U.S. merchant marine today is so small that analysts question its ability to support military sealift requirements in a war.

With only 180 or so oceangoing vessels in the U.S.-registered commercial fleet and less than 12,000 professional mariners—most whom would be tied up serving domestic routes at the onset of a war—the capacity of the private sector to supplement the government’s aged collection of sealift vessels in an emergency is problematic at best.

It is easy to find excuses for why Washington has allowed the U.S. maritime presence to waste away.

After all, how likely is a protracted war with China, requiring months or years of sealift activity to sustain forward-deployed forces?

However, that hardly disposes of all the national security concerns surrounding America’s gradual disappearance from the world’s oceans.

We know that Beijing’s long-term goal is to dominate global supply chains for vital industrial goods, so the fact China is outproducing America in large commercial vessels 100-to-1, that it increasingly dominates traffic, and that it is securing control of ports along key trade routes, should have elicited a policy response from Washington.

So far, it has not.

Meanwhile, Beijing’s ability to dominate the future naval balance in its own region—the industrial heartland of the new global economy—is increasingly evident.

China already possesses geographical and economic advantages in that pursuit, so its ability to outproduce the U.S. in warships each year should be viewed with alarm.

China’s most immediate naval goal is to secure control of nearby seas; the smaller U.S. Navy needs to maintain a presence everywhere, from the North Atlantic to the Mediterranean Sea to the Persian Gulf to the Western Pacific.

It seems the trade patterns and the naval patterns are mutually reinforcing, pointing to an historic loss of U.S. maritime influence in the near future.

This problem is fixable, but it may require a different kind of political culture than America currently possesses.

The decline of U.S. shipbuilding is just one facet of America’s broader deindustrialization, a process that has seen the land of Edison and Westinghouse gradually abandon the production of every industrial product from smartphones to aluminum since the Cold War ended.

It was not so long ago that the U.S. hosted a dozen builders of aircraft; today it has exactly one manufacturer of large aircraft left, and that company has been faltering of late.

America’s insular and polarized political system seems incapable of even noticing such problems, much less ameliorating them.

For instance, the domestic shipbuilding industry went from being a major producer of commercial oceangoing vessels to building barely any at all in a mere 10 years, thanks to a foolish move by the Reagan administration to wipe out construction subsidies without seeking reciprocal action from other nations.

That move was never revisited, even though the shipbuilding industry lost 40,000 workers during the Reagan years.

Time will tell whether the Biden administration has the sense to revise naval shipbuilding plans, which at the moment could spell doom for some of the surviving U.S. shipyards.

Optimism is not warranted, given that the U.S. has lost 14 new-construction shipyards since 1970, with barely a peep from Washington.

Today there is only one full-service shipyard left on the entire West Coast, and outside of submarines every segment of the domestic shipbuilding industry, both military and commercial, is facing major uncertainties in the years ahead.

The Trump administration’s last industrial-base report to Congress correctly stated that “the largest contributing factor of declining U.S. competitiveness in global shipbuilding has been state intervention from competitor countries.”

In other words China and other shipbuilding nations subsidize their industries, at the expense of America’s shipbuilders.

So what is Washington going to do about it?

Basically, there are three options: institute expanded cargo preferences for U.S.-built and -manned vessels, directly subsidize U.S. shipbuilders, or persist in our current dream-like state until the destruction of U.S. maritime supremacy is complete.

I’m not holding my breath waiting for an effective policy response from Washington.

 

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I'll dissect this particular image tomorrow, now it's 1AM I need to sleep. The point is, this graph is wrong. Eerily wrong

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Please dismiss this report too

I'll dissect this particular image tomorrow, now it's 1AM I need to sleep. The point is, this graph is wrong. Eerily wrong

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See you tomorrow.

out of 2019 ship launch, the US total output reported here is 140.900 tons.

OTOH Ship launched by the US in 2019 include:

1x Ford class CVN (USS John F Kennedy CVN-79) which alone is 100.000 tons
1x Lewis B puller class ESB (USS Miguel Keith (ESB-5) at 100.000 tons
1x Virginia class SSN (USS Oregon SSN 793) at 7800 tons
1x Arleigh Burke DDG (USS Daniel Inouye (DDG-118) at 9200 tons
1x Independence class LCS (USS Oakland LCS-24) at 3100 tons
1x Freedom class LCS (USS Minneapolis St Paul) at 3500 tons


which actually puts the USN ship launched in 2019 at 223,600 tons ship launched in 2019.

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and in regard to this report:


China now has the largest fleet of warships in the world, about 350, while America’s Navy is struggling to get above 300.

There's a slight difference on how the USN and the PLAN count their total hull number.

The USN makes a distinction of using the prefix USS (United States Ship) and USNS (United State Naval Ship). The difference is that United States Ship (USS) is a combatant vessel carried on the naval register and crewed by military personnel. A United States Naval Ship (USNS) is a non-commissioned Ship that is owned by the Navy but operated and crewed by the Military Sealift Command (MSC) and crewed primarily by civilians.


Ships with USNS prefix are usually in the logistic role, Tankers, munition and cargo ship, hospital ship etc.
While ships with USS prefix are usually frontline combatants like CVN, LHA, SSN, DDG, FFG etc.

Add all of the ships using USS and USNS prefix, the US Navy has at least 470 ship in its inventory

PLAN on the other hand classify tankers, hospital ships etc using it PLANS prefix and all counted to 350 ships. and out of those 350 ships, a signifiant portion of the fleet are made up of relatively simple and cheap surfcae combatants as well as older ships from the bygone era.

Ships such as the type 056/056A amounts to 72 ships, type 022 missile boat (82 ships), Type 037 missile boat (67 ships), Type 053H3 (5 ships), Ming class sub (12 ships) are either too small to challenge the USN or belongs to the cold war.
 

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and in regard to this report:




There's a slight difference on how the USN and the PLAN count their total hull number.

The USN makes a distinction of using the prefix USS (United States Ship) and USNS (United State Naval Ship). The difference is that United States Ship (USS) is a combatant vessel carried on the naval register and crewed by military personnel. A United States Naval Ship (USNS) is a non-commissioned Ship that is owned by the Navy but operated and crewed by the Military Sealift Command (MSC) and crewed primarily by civilians.


Ships with USNS prefix are usually in the logistic role, Tankers, munition and cargo ship, hospital ship etc.
While ships with USS prefix are usually frontline combatants like CVN, LHA, SSN, DDG, FFG etc.

Add all of the ships using USS and USNS prefix, the US Navy has at least 470 ship in its inventory

PLAN on the other hand classify tankers, hospital ships etc using it PLANS prefix and all counted to 350 ships. and out of those 350 ships, a signifiant portion of the fleet are made up of relatively simple and cheap surfcae combatants as well as older ships from the bygone era.

Ships such as the type 056/056A amounts to 72 ships, type 022 missile boat (82 ships), Type 037 missile boat (67 ships), Type 053H3 (5 ships), Ming class sub (12 ships) are either too small to challenge the USN or belongs to the cold war.
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There's a slight difference on how the USN and the PLAN count their total hull number.
Lol, are you saying that US doesn't know how to count their own ships and they need your help to do the job?
 

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out of 2019 ship launch, the US total output reported here is 140.900 tons.

OTOH Ship launched by the US in 2019 include:

1x Ford class CVN (USS John F Kennedy CVN-79) which alone is 100.000 tons
1x Lewis B puller class ESB (USS Miguel Keith (ESB-5) at 100.000 tons
1x Virginia class SSN (USS Oregon SSN 793) at 7800 tons
1x Arleigh Burke DDG (USS Daniel Inouye (DDG-118) at 9200 tons
1x Independence class LCS (USS Oakland LCS-24) at 3100 tons
1x Freedom class LCS (USS Minneapolis St Paul) at 3500 tons


which actually puts the USN ship launched in 2019 at 223,600 tons ship launched in 2019.

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Maybe they didn't count the ESB and included a couple other things to get to the number they did....difference of around 80k DWT.

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