TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

Fatman17 said:

Mini F-35? Turkey's TAI TF Kaan Fighter Has Arrived https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mini-f-35-turkey’s-tai-tf-kaan-fighter-has-arrived-210969
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Fatman17 said:

Mini F-35? Turkey's TAI TF Kaan Fighter Has Arrived https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/mini-f-35-turkey’s-tai-tf-kaan-fighter-has-arrived-210969
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National Interest is a US right wing rag that I wouldn't use to mob up vomit from the floor. Within a few paragraphs they are already lying, you have to go back almost 100 years to find plane we bought from Soviets, let alone buying "fighter jets" from them.

Any moron can write an article in nationalinterest digital toilet paper.

Looks like test flights with TF35k by 2028-2029

Kotil, providing information about the date when KAAN will enter service, said, "We will deliver 20 KAANs to the Turkish Air Force in the year 2028. There will be hundreds more in the 2030s and beyond. This is just one phase of the project. Over the course of a hundred years, more KAANs will come. KAAN is nearly 100% indigenous. Local companies have made everything except for the engine and ejection seat. Hopefully, by 2028-2029, we will fly with our own engine. We are compelled to do this. In such a defense system, you cannot be reliant on any other country."

Strong AI said:

Hopefully, by 2028-2029, we will fly with our own engine.

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The crucial word in that sentence is the word 'hopefully'. It is not a schedule announcement. Almost certainly it will not happen.

I would like to hear sensible, informed estimates about TF35K from the people directly involved in its development:

1 target date for design freeze
2 time needed to build the engine to that design
3 time needed to test the engine

At the moment there appears to be no indication of when the engine's design will be finalised. If the design is contingent on the TF10000 demonstrating successful performance, when is that milestone likely to be reached?

Temel Kotil also says "we are #11th exporter of defence products in the world and what becomes Türkiye is to be #5th" which means ; USA, France, Russia, China, Türkiye. I would say Russia and France keep their positions because of relations with their past customers. Otherwise Türkiye can even get to #2 position in the long run.

I started to believe that there is “something” we do not know. Obviously!

Zafer said:

Temel Kotil also says "we are #11th exporter of defence products in the world and what becomes Türkiye is to be #5th" which means ; USA, France, Russia, China, Türkiye. I would say Russia and France keep their positions because of relations with their past customers. Otherwise Türkiye can even get to #2 position in the long run.

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Why so humble,why not first???

TR_123456 said:

Why so humble,why not first???

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USA has 4 times the population and will not hesitate piling even more debt to be in #1 position while we will only care to grow in a natural and easy way.

Zafer said:

Temel Kotil also says "we are #11th exporter of defence products in the world and what becomes Türkiye is to be #5th" which means ; USA, France, Russia, China, Türkiye. I would say Russia and France keep their positions because of relations with their past customers. Otherwise Türkiye can even get to #2 position in the long run.

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I can see Turkiye becoming a major player in the defence market in coming years.

There are a large number of fellow Muslim countries predisposed to consider buying arms from Turkiye. How much of an edge that gives I do not know but it certainly helps. Where KAAN is concerned, US denial of supply of F-35 to Muslim Middle East countries enhances its chance of capturing export sales, does it not?

I note that Turkiye is interested in including Malaysia in the project. While that may be prompted by Malaysia being a Muslim country, I read that Malaysia has capabilities in the domain of composites that could contribute to the programme. Would Malaysia actually buy any KAAN if it were involved in the programme, I wonder.

Any chance of Pakistan becoming involved or would China put a stop to that?

PS Azerbaijan 'joined' the project nearly a year ago. Has any concrete contribution come of that?

Spitfire9 said:

I can see Turkiye becoming a major player in the defence market in coming years.

There are a large number of fellow Muslim countries predisposed to consider buying arms from Turkiye. How much of an edge that gives I do not know but it certainly helps. Where KAAN is concerned, US denial of supply of F-35 to Muslim Middle East countries enhances its chance of capturing export sales, does it not?

I note that Turkiye is interested in including Malaysia in the project. While that may be prompted by Malaysia being a Muslim country, I read that Malaysia has capabilities in the domain of composites that could contribute to the programme. Would Malaysia actually buy any KAAN if it were involved in the programme, I wonder.

Any chance of Pakistan becoming involved or would China put a stop to that?

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Pakistan will only need Kaan should India have stealth fighters.
Malaysia can certainly buy some Kaan but in limited numbers.
I would expect gulf countries to join in at later stages.

Zafer said:

Pakistan will only need Kaan should India have stealth fighters.
Malaysia can certainly buy some Kaan but in limited numbers.
I would expect gulf countries to join in at later stages.

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I think, Azerbaijan will buy a few and maybe some Central Asian country. Pakistan has no money and will probably get a few J31 relatively soon. The rest of so called Islamic countries? Forget about it.

Zafer said:

Pakistan will only need Kaan should India have stealth fighters.
Malaysia can certainly buy some Kaan but in limited numbers.
I would expect gulf countries to join in at later stages.

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India may have a 5G fighter in about 10 years' time. In about 10 years' time Turkiye may have an all Turkish KAAN. Of course, Pakistan may have ordered J-20 before then.

mehmed beg said:

I think, Azerbaijan will buy a few and maybe some Central Asian country. Pakistan has no money and will probably get a few J31 relatively soon. The rest of so called Islamic countries? Forget about it.

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I am not referring to early stage alone, in the long run more countries can be expected to join.

A few years down the road there maybe other offerings on the table for a fighter, when you have engines you can make various planes.

Zafer said:

I am not referring to early stage alone, in the long run more countries can be expected to join.

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No . Maybe if they get it for next to nothing and that projec is presented like it wouldn't exist without them. That's how it has always worked with them.

Strong AI said:

Looks like test flights with TF35k by 2028-2029

Kotil, providing information about the date when KAAN will enter service, said, "We will deliver 20 KAANs to the Turkish Air Force in the year 2028. There will be hundreds more in the 2030s and beyond. This is just one phase of the project. Over the course of a hundred years, more KAANs will come. KAAN is nearly 100% indigenous. Local companies have made everything except for the engine and ejection seat. Hopefully, by 2028-2029, we will fly with our own engine. We are compelled to do this. In such a defense system, you cannot be reliant on any other country."

Temel Kotil'den KAAN üzerinden Almanya göndermesi

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin gururu KAAN'ı yerli ve milli genç mühendislerin yaptığını söyleyen Temel Kotil, Türkiye'nin bu alanda kıyaslandığı Almanya'nın yaşlandığını belirterek, "Almanlar Mercedes yapmaya devam etsin." dedi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

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This means that the tweets about deliveries with indigenous engines in 2028 is false.

Rodeo said:

This means that the tweets about deliveries with indigenous engines in 2028 is false.

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Not really, "we will fly with our own engine in 2028" may mean the engine will have been qualified for mass production by then as well. Combine this with the statement of the SSB Chief Haluk Görgün "We intend to make the engine ready in time for mass production".

Zafer said:

Not really, "we will fly with our own engine in 2028" may mean the engine will have been qualified for mass production by then as well. Combine this with the statement of the SSB Chief Haluk Görgün "We intend to make the engine ready in time for mass production".

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It's 2024, we haven't seen a prototype yet. Let alone first ignition. You expected TF35000 to be ready for mass production by 2028?

Zafer said:

Not really, "we will fly with our own engine in 2028" may mean the engine will have been qualified for mass production by then as well. Combine this with the statement of the SSB Chief Haluk Görgün "We intend to make the engine ready in time for mass production".

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please read what you have written and reconsider.