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Heartbang
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Artificial womb - Wikipedia
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None of the incentives works, from money to housing, South Korea spent $150 billion to help childbearing costs.
The solution in the future is going to be artificial wombs. The government taxes the citizens, each citizens provide sperm/eggs, and the Government raises these children through citizens' taxes. View attachment 68163
It sounds whacky and radical but this will happen, many scientists already say you can grow a baby completely in the lab, this is already possible with today's technology.
time to call the Brotherhood of steel i guess
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Vatgrown citizens. The idea is too far away now, but we can't know with the demographic ice age.
If the children were to be healthy in mind and body, I'm completely open to the idea.
If the children were to be healthy in mind and body, I'm completely open to the idea.
YOU ARE a kriegsman ofc you will be open for the idea lol
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"In life, war. In death, peace. In life, shame. In death, atonement."
Soriously though, vitae bombs may well be the solution to our population problem. However, I think we have to make sure it's technically possible to grow healthy humans in artificial wombs first. If I was a Bond villain, I'd fund the sh*t out of it.
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Japan and South Korea prove money is not the issue. Neoliberal urban lifestyle always leads to demographic winters.
We have three and a half choices: end women's liberation, accept demographic winter, accept mass migration, or somehow figure out industrial scale baby production. One has to choose between one of them.
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You think that Saudi Arabia has a neoliberal lifestyle? Thats BS.
Wealth or a higher income leads to fewer children, regardless of lifestyles all over the world.
How to solve it is an entire different and difficult question.
We should consider controlled immigration from Central Asian & Balkan countries imo. But we dont have the necessary attractiveness to pull that off.
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Perhaps I couldn't explain myself fully. When I say neoliberal lifestyle, I mean:
- Women going into the workforce
- Debt based personal finance being widespread (most often credit cards or student loan debt)
- Late marriage due to long education
- Urbanization (apartments instead of houses)
- Atomization of individuals (weak family ties)
- Westernized cultural attitudes (hookup culture, party life)
- Easy divorce
The real problem is, a modern economy can't make do without women in the workforce or apartments or credit cards. Genie's out of the bottle.
I believe solving the population crisis will be the biggest global issue going into 2040s, and all kinds of radical ideas will take hold. Artifical womb technology will be one of them. Another will be limiting women's rights. We are currently trying the mass migration but I believe the crises that will cause will end that whole thing.
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Sure it can.
It will price in a "halved" labour force....and then all prices that are referenced and based on it that signal to other forces (people often assume these will magically hold when they wont, they will adjust to the social current).
Definition of the modern economy has been co-opted by the (western sense of) left for decades now. Keynesian statism especially (given this is what most appeals sociologically to insular elitists for all kind of self reinforcing and immoral reasons).
When it comes to the individual country, there is no need to march off cliff just because everyone else is. Those countries that can socially engineer their society to more family rearing narrative again will gain a long term advantage over others (its called investment....social investment is literally what makes organised well-founded hierarchies in the small and larger scale for civilisations to grow and prosper to what we have today).
The whole narrative has to change from the get go back to something more balanced. i.e importance of rearing children and strong family unit first....and the value of doing that (rather than the inversion that has been sold to many women in the developed world that children and families are a burden and that extreme careerhood is feminist liberation etc).
A career only if it can be balanced around that.
Then and only then will you get some idea of market failure interventions (i.e extra incentive pricing mechanisms) needed w.r.t family rearing.
Otherwise you are trying to mop an issue with the tap left on full flow.....as social narratives are upstream and extremely strong force versus economics in the end.
I agree with much of what you are saying though.
